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(...) Dave, don't bother. I did it, and I emailed Rene, telling him that I had done it, that it would be changed back in a few days, and to let me know if he had any problem with it. Apparently that email didn't get to you. Have you been given (...) (17 years ago, 12-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Nope, I was out of the loop on that one, and if I had been in it I probably would've voiced my opinion that it shouldn't happen. I am glad to hear that you talked to Rene about it beforehand, though. (...) I was granted access to change (...) (17 years ago, 12-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) No point now - I was going to put it back anyway, probably later today. I still think it would be good to clarify your position WRT changing content, and add your email to the admin sidebar (and anyone else who has similar access). ROSCO (17 years ago, 12-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well, define what's an admin? I have access as well, but I don't consider myself an admin. Admins implies responsibility as well as access - if someone's email is on that list, it means it's ok to contact them if you have any sort of adminish (...) (17 years ago, 12-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think this current misunderstanding is a case in point. Wasn't there once an admin@lugnet.com email that forwarded to all the current admins? I think such a tool would be useful, users only have 1 address to contact, and you guys can argue (...) (17 years ago, 12-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think what seems to be missing is the description of what global curators should do and what they should *not* do. This is the first time to my knowledge that an instance like this has happened (where one curator has overwritten another (...) (17 years ago, 12-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hi all and sundry :-) ROSCO: Probably your email made it into my spam folder, sorry! I haven't read such an email and therefore don't know what happened, and whether I would have endorsed it beforehand or not. Well, seems that we all survived (...) (17 years ago, 12-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Note that until then, the traffic link is still on every other page besides the main page. ROSCO (17 years ago, 16-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Am I the only one who is bothered by the total anarchy on display here? A LUGNET curator abuses his priviledges in order to harass another member, and the official response is "no harm done?" Ross, you owe Eric an apology, public and sincere. (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general) !!
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(...) Nope. (...) Yep. JOHN (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Definitely not. I'm deeply disturbed by the actions of Rosco (*and* others). It looks like lugnet is falling apart, and he's helping. I was also astonished by the lack of administrator reaction to Rosco's actions. Even if we only see half a (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hi Chris, thank you very much for your thoughts. Be sure I've given this whole issue careful consideration. But as far as I can see, there was a lot of healthy discussion and I'm pretty sure some people will rethink their futur behaviour. I (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Rene Hoffmeister wrote: - snip - (...) Rene, I understand your reluctance to pursue administrative repurcussions in this latest flare-up. Unfortunately, perception of administrative bias is as damaging as actual bias. A lack (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general) !!
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(...) No, it bothers me because (as happened in this case) an email to the Lugnet admins does not reach ALL Lugnet admins, and one of the admins that was "out of the loop" reverted my changes. While not a problem in this case, I can see a potential (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It seems that NONE of the admins received your e-mail, because the implication I've been reading is that NONE of them would have told you to go ahead. But the point is, you shouldn't need the admins to tell you when you are crossing that line, (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well, that's even worse, and should be fixed. (...) No, that's a different point entirely. (...) I don't think anyone had a problem with Dave reverting the pics, do you? (...) At least (URL) one person did>, and preferred to email the admins (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A point which is still apparently lost on you? (...) So you sent e-mail to the admins, and then in the absence of a response you assumed that you had administrative approval to alter somebody else's content? No problem. Sure. (...) Under the (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) No. The admins will determine if I crossed any line, and take action as necessary. (...) Firstly, that has nothing to do with the point I was making about wanting ALL admins to be "in the loop" when someone "contacts admin". And secondly, the (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Chris Phillips" <drvegetable@comcast.net> wrote in message news:JDqEKz.JzF@lugnet.com... (...) Chris ... I think you are trying to do little more than argue an argument to it's unarguable end. That is why Ross Crawford redirected it to .debate (...) (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) So it's OK for you to abuse administrative privilege, as long as only one or two people are bothered by it? Especially if one of the two is a person that a significant people on LUGNET feel it's OK to bully? I just have to post here to say I (...) (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !
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(...) Gimme a break. This is a prank gone wrong, not an abuse of power. Deleting all of a member's posts, or breaking links in a way that couldn't be restored, that would be an abuse. This was actually a little bit funny (and a little mean, I (...) (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !
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(...) Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. (...) I don't know his motives any better than I assume you do, but it seems to me that he moved it to .debate in order to marginalize my attempts to steer this discussion back toward the central issue (...) (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I strongly agree with Kelly's response above. The role of administrator is a priveledge that should be bestowed upon trustworthy and honorable people. The priveledge should be revoked if used outside of the purvue of responsible administrative (...) (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) same answers as John -mark (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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This is directed to all people who would like to see sanctions against Ross. (...) I am so sorry that I haven't received Ross' and Eric's emails regarding this matter (both sent before Bob's posting), because if I would have received one of them or (...) (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.curators)
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(...) So, you'd like to see a public reprimand from Rene, and/or a public apology from Ross? I think at this point, it's clear that: - What Ross did was not acceptable (in my book certainly, and I assume in Rene's as well). - There was (...) (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Nothing so dramatic; and I've seen (URL) Rene's recent post>, so that's settled. By "core issue" I was referring to a perception of potential future admin malfeasance. While the immediate flurry has been beaten to death, I remain unconvinced (...) (17 years ago, 20-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Thank you for clarifying your position Rene. I also think it's worth clarifying my statement above. As a curator at Lugnet, I will try my best to act responsibly, and I cannot envisage any set of circumstances that would cause me to ever (...) (17 years ago, 21-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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(...) Thank you, Rene, for issuing a formal statement about the resolution of this incident, and to Dave for filling in some details. In retrospect, this was the missing link which publicly clarifies the official stance on this issue. It is good to (...) (17 years ago, 21-Feb-07, to lugnet.admin.general)
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