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In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Phillips wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Phillips wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Phillips wrote:
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Ross, you seen bothered that some members have
“shadow” admin ability without being explicitly named on the admin page.
Does this bother you because you expect accountability from these people?
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No, it bothers me because (as happened in this case) an email to the
Lugnet admins does not reach ALL Lugnet admins, and one of the admins that
was “out of the loop” reverted my changes.
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It seems that NONE of the admins received your e-mail, because the
implication I’ve been reading is that NONE of them would have told you to
go ahead.
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Well, that’s even worse, and should be fixed.
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But the
point is, you shouldn’t need the admins to tell you when you are crossing
that line, and if you can’t understand that, then you shouldn’t be a
curator.
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No, that’s a different point entirely.
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A point which is still apparently lost on you?
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No. The admins will determine if I crossed any line, and take action as
necessary.
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While not a problem in this case, I can see a
potential for confusion and/or conflict in the future.
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“Not a problem in this case?” Ha!
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I don’t think anyone had a problem with Dave reverting the pics, do you?
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So you sent e-mail to the admins, and then in the absence of a response you
assumed that you had administrative approval to alter somebody else’s
content? No problem. Sure.
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Firstly, that has nothing to do with the point I was making about wanting ALL
admins to be “in the loop” when someone “contacts admin”. And secondly, the
content of the Technic sidebar is NOT Eric’s.
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The non-Sophie pics were in place more than 48 hours before Bob posted
about them. My email is clearly linked on the Technic sidebar. Not one
person emailed me to request that I change the pics back, or even
investigate what happened.
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Just because nobody noticed the prank until Bob went trolling
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At least one person did, and
preferred to email the admins directly rather than the curator.
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Under the circumstances, I’m not sure what else Eric could have done. He has
been ridiculed in the past for complaining in public, so going directly to
Rene was probably his best option. After all, his complaint was as much
about your actions as it was about getting his images restored. If I had
been in his shoes, I probably would’ve bypassed you, too.
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Noted.
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does not change the facts of what you did.
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Never said it did.
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Then why do you bring it up? Another awkward attempt at redirection?
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Bring up what? You asserted that nothing changes the facts of what I did, I
agreed.
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Do you at this point see why your stunt set off a
160+ message debate?
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No, Bob’s post started a 160+ message debate. If Bob had chosen to email me
instead, or even if Eric had CCed me on his email, the pics would have been
reverted, and nobody else would have noticed.
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Again, you dodge responsibility for the consequences of your actions. “I
only lit the fire. If somebody had pulled the fire alarm in time, the house
wouldn’t have burnt to the ground.”
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I have never said I was without fault.
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Would you do it again? Can you acknowledge that you made a mistake?
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The pics were changed to make a point. In the last 2 weeks, Eric has served
at least 2 DMCA notifications (probably more) to ISPs about people using his
copyrighted work on their sites. He seems to prefer to go directly to the
legal threats, rather than asking nicely. I didn’t think he would do that
regarding the images on the Technic sidebar, but you can never be sure with
Eric. So I removed them. As it was only to make a point, I had resolved to
put them back in a few days, but unfortunately Bob pointed them out before I
was able to, sparking this thread.
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So if you only intended to remove the pictures temporarily, then you weren’t
really protecting LUGNET from DMCA action, and your whole rationale falls
apart.
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My whole rationale that it was done to make a point? I think not.
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No, it is unlikely I would ever do it again.
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Glad to see such an unequivocal statement from you. Thanks!
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(FUT: .debate because the admins don’t need this cluttering up their group)
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(FUT .admin.general, because this is an issue of site administration and
regulation.)
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ROSCO
(FUT back to .debate, because you and others have already made your
points/requests to admin, and they should be left in peace to make any
determination)
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Message is in Reply To:
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| (...) A point which is still apparently lost on you? (...) So you sent e-mail to the admins, and then in the absence of a response you assumed that you had administrative approval to alter somebody else's content? No problem. Sure. (...) Under the (...) (17 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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