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(...) For the sake of accuracy, the server at Larry's end was working fine. Due to address similarities to popular SPAMmer addresses, Yahoo dropped the email. This is accruate, right Larry? Kevin (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ok - but that doesn't change my point. It's out of YOUR control if Yahoo accepts messages from Larry's server. You'd have no way of knowing if it does or doesn't until you actually are sent one. On the other hand, you KNOW that mail from (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, I know this, *and* I knew it that time that Larry tried to make it look like my fault by saying the problem was on my end. Have to admit, he's good at spin. (...) I don't won't accept any unofficial email warnings. Otherwise the emails (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) That's not accurate. What IS accurate is that when I discovered there was a problem, I talked to my support and based on what they told me then, I said to you that the problem was at your end. Later on, you insinuated that I was deliberately (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) I'm sure you do. (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Whatever. But the issue remains, whose responsibility is it to ensure email communication works? LUGNET and the LUGNET admins? Or the user? This issue has come up before and while the admins will do what they can, it's not their responsibility (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) This is explained clearly in the ToU, and in a previous post. (...) The main admin page lists all the LTT as @lugnet.com. I've done nothing to prevent those email addresses. If official Admin accounts are not able to send email on a particular (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Could you clarify that a bit? Why should it not be technically possible to have official emails coming from the lugnet.com domain? That's a very basic ability of any serious website. If you mean that it is sometimes inconvenient to send emails (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Not necessarily. LUGNET does not have this ability, as I understand it. It is possible to construct an email that shows the "from:" as being from a lugnet.com email address, but, again, as I understand it, not to have the email actually be (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think Kevin does have a working email? Unless you want to define working as "has to be able to accept email from whatever domains/servers the admins happen to use". I would define it as "able to accept email from the LUGNET server and not (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes. However the LUGNET server doesn't currently have the capabilty to send (originate) mail, does it? That was how I read what you said before. In that case, if it's true that it can't, what then? (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'd recommend setting it up so it'll work then. I can think of a few ways to do this. However, it doesn't change the point that it's up to LUGNET to make sure the admins can send email to users, assuming the user has actually provided a valid (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) OK. But it isn't set up NOW, is it? If so, what then? (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't know? Be aware that your emails might not be getting where you send them, and not fault the user for it? It's STILL not the users' issue to solve. (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) There's no faulting flowing from this direction, merely a statement that there's a problem at the user's end. (...) Sorry, why not? I'm not clear on that really. If a user has a malformed or malfunctioning mail, why isn't that the user's issue (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) #1 How would the user know there was a problem? #2 Assuming the user knows there's a problem, how can he possibly fix it if he doesn't control the mail server (or the ISP, or whever the block is occuring)? Asking that HE change his email (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Not really, no. I agree that's the desired end state but that's not what the server does now, is it? I'm asking about what should be done NOW. (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I thought I was answering what you asked... And what hsould be done NOW? Since you are aware of the problem, just have one of the other admins mail Kevin if need be - since it doesn't matter which admin the official mail comes fron... (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'm talking about the general case. We've had several situations in the recent past when mail from admins was not received (and no bounce was returned) which led to difficulty, warnings not received, timeouts not properly started because they (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Wow, I didn't know. In that case, a solution should certainly be found. In the meantime, a workaround would be to send two copies of the email from two admins, maybe? The chance both will fail are much smaller... And that doesn't require any (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Honestly, Larry, are you really asking for advise? Or are you just excercising your natural method for drawing out a thread ad infintum, until the other part gives up? Short term advice: Get yourself a gmail account and post from there - gmail (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, honestly, I am. Not for me but for the other admins too. As I said, we had some situations in the past where emails (from other admins, NOT from me) went blocked or went lost and we, the admins, had no idea it happened. I agree that short (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hmm, I think it's actually both peoples issue to solve. SPAM is a real problem, but I have seen several providers take a lazy way out. Remember when Lugnet was incorrectly put on SPAM black lists? If it was only Lugnet's responsibility to (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) That's what I'm talking about! I didn't think of that idea, good workaround, thanks. (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) True. If LUGENT's servers end up on a blacklist again, it would be everyone's problem. But while Kevin could (and probably should) ask his ISP to unblock Larry's server, I would doubt one user would actually make much of an impact on them. So (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) First of all, one can try to get a receipt from the receivers mail program. This is certainly not fool proof, but if you get a receipt, the receiver has almost certainly seen at least the Subject of the mail. If you never get a receipt, you (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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I think my post adds a lot of hot air and really doesn't help things. Please cancel this post: (URL) you. Eric Sophie Member # 1051 (20 years ago, 26-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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