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Kevin, You speak as if you are some great martyr for a cause. Well, I hope you get what you want - whatever that is. I personally find this whole post wrong, misinformed and offensive. The fact that it already has so many spotlights just makes me (...) (20 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) "(URL) Apres nous, le deluge>", eh? If the admins had some positive achievements to justify their sense of self-importance, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess. Marc Nelson Jr. (URL) Marc's Creations>> (20 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Hi Lenny, You're a great guy. When I met you for the first time 2 years ago you seemed to be an intelligent person with well thought out ideas. However, is this the best response you can come up with? Kevin made some very relevant and poignant (...) (20 years ago, 18-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) No. I was very upset by Kevin's post - specifically how he characterized me (aka Jacko-dmin), and the other admins. I went through five different drafts. I don't think this was the best responce possible, but I wanted to do something - rather (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Most of our achievements have been in the under-lying structure of Lugnet, and in the preparation for the Transition. Every time some big drama explodes, it pulls us away from that it makes it harder for us to get the spirit enough to dive (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I'm really happy to hear that - is there anything you can tell us about how the Transition is going? Because from an outsider's point of view (well, outside of the LT), it seems like it's been abandoned. :/ (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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(...) Understandable in light of the situation. However, heat of the moment replies have typically gotten me in trouble in the past (one word: draconian) which is why I waited to reply to Kevin's post. I think this is good advice for all Lugnet (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Being a History major, I can tell you that there is no such thing as a 'no spin story.' Every narrative carries with it the prejudices and biases of the story teller - every story has a point-of-view. In the West, we have worked very hard (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I can understand that concern. The past few months, we have been focusing on particular issues rather than general ones - policies on how to enforce the 'no cursing' rule vs. working the Transition (from private ownership to 'public' (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Orion Pobursky wrote: Orion, Give me a call and I'll tell you the truth as I know it. Kevin (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Lenny, Please elucidate where you know factually that I was wrong. (...) This issue *is not* about me. (...) Lenny, you presume much about my motivations. I'd prefer that you speak only for yourself. The timing of the writing of the document (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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(...) Ok, I'm going to say again what I've been saying privately-- I wholeheartedly disagree. People want to see what's going on. That's how communities work. My current view on the LTT is that they're trying to turn Lugnet into a cold-exteriored (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !!
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In lugnet.admin.general, David Eaton wrote: <snip> (...) I completely concur with everything DaveE just stated (as if that's worth anything...) Dave K (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) An excellent post, Dave. A few things I want to touch on - the Admins' basic idea of how the P&P process would work is essentially what you described here. We write it, work on it. Share it with a few people and get their input, get the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I posted this already but this is not the impression that I got from the announcement post or various other conversions with those involved. The impression I got was that the committee was going to generate the P&P and then it would be (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Isn't it possible for people to discuss something even if it is currently being implemented? Or is it the point that something should be submitted to the community before implementation just for the sake of it? In which case, does the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Not if the policy being implemented has the effect of inhibiting discussion or making that discussion irrelevant. Marc Nelson Jr. (URL) Marc's Creations>> (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) In my opinion, no, especially if the implementation directly affect those whould would discuss it. For example: The club you belong to forms a committee to review the dress code. It just so happens (by coincidenece) that everyone on the (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'm sorry Marc, but the idea of Admins inhibiting discussion on Lugnet is laughable. When have we ever done that or attempted to do that? Admins cannot force edits or cancels - but can only do so when requested by a member. And if the (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) To me, "abiding by the unfair ban while arguing with the committee" is a worthwhile thing to do. Since, this might happen even if the policy is submitted to the membership. TO use your example - what if you are gone on the day the ban is (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Lenny, I'm still waiting for a response to this post. It has many questions directed specifically to you, including a request for specifics about the generalized comment that I am a liar. You claim you suspended Chris based on his LUGNET behavior, (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Using an example from our history, Rosa Parks sat where she dam-well pleased; had she abided, things would be much different now. Free expression of ideas has for some time now been stifled on LUGNET - Opposing viewpoints, regardless of (...) (20 years ago, 23-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Rosa Parks did what she did because the establishment was not interested in hearing her voice. Lugnet Admins, on the other hand, have always be interested in hearing the voices of all members and users of Lugnet. I don't see the need for civil (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Again, I'm at work, and can't give this better attention until tonight if I get the chance, but: While this may be true in theory, it seems that many here **think** that the establishment is not interested in their opinions, and may feel (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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