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Todd, since you responded, and this is your sandbox, I will respectfully withdraw the contests, out of regard for Lugnet. After all I do like the place. You have made your point clear and I will respect your wishes, this contest was of my own doing (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) ... (...) I must state here, even though I am not very active at all currently in adminly duties, my extreme disappointment with your behavior and the behavior of the people encouraging you who have been too cowardly to come out and make (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I have never met Lar. I have traded discussion posts with him many times, not always to our mutual satisfaction, but I think (or at least hope) that we still respect each others views. When I read Chris's posts in this thread, a very old post (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) TIM, People FEAR repercussions and choose to remail veiled!!! To call them cowards is insulting. I dont come at this lightly, AND I am certainly NOT alone. (...) ON line, Lar HAS contributed much. I agree, BUT that does not make this statement (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) ROFLMAO, so what is Larry condensing? Milk? If you are going to post inflamatory remarks about an individual. Get it right or borrow a dictionary. Now I've known Larry for a few years, and while it is true that he can come off as (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Uh, don't lump us all in to this... that goes for both of you, Chris and Joseph. -Greg Hyland (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Then let them come forward with *constructive* opinions on how to solve their grievances. NOT hide behind destructive tactics such as this. Your actions and their encouragement are wholly unnecessary and completely distructive to the (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Joseph Greene wrote: <snnip> Is this the same Joseph Greene who posted this (cancelled) message?-- (URL) were saying something about playing nice in someone elses pond? Hmmm, let's think about what gets a post cancelled (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.admin.general, David Koudys wrote: <snip> oops, that was jsut suppose to be in rtlT 'cause I didn'twnat to cause yet more disenfranchisement, and folks know me in rtlT... Basically they say, 'Oh, that's just Dave going on about something (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Actually, you are correct! I did make a post which, the next morning I re-read and requested to have it canceled as I felt it excessively vitriolic. If I recall correctly it contained NO ToU violations and did not generate a request for it to (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) That's very kind of you. Nicely done. I take back my previous allusions... Dave K (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Magno wrote: <SNIP> (...) I still want to know: What is he condensing? (...) Actually, you seem to have proven yourself to be extremely closed minded in your unwillingness to look at the other side of the issue. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) So you're threatening to revoke Chris' posting privileges in retaliation for his criticism of the Admins? Sounds like you're making Chris' case for him. Marc Nelson Jr. (URL) Marc's Creations>> (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Joseph, Chris canceled his contest. Is that not at least some willingness on his part to look at other sides of the issue? Chris, I don't know Tim to be closed minded any more than any of us here. Why are people so often labeled as "closed (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) May the first person that has never made a "speeling" mistake cast the first (tongue in cheek) inflamMatory spellcheck. snipped the rest (since it's just one post above) Hello, You brought up some interesting points, but I am a bit confused. I (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto) !
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(...) I had difficulty resolving the grammar of Tim's line, but my final analysis was that Tim wasn't advotating any repurcussions from the admins directed at Chris for his posting about the cancelled competition here. But re-reading it, I'm more (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) And that's what some of us are considering. What we are doing however, by pointing out that we are close to the edge is that people are making Lugnet unfun to run. If all the admins decide it's unfun, then Lugnet goes away. I hope everyone (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) With due respect, what recourse do we have if an admin is found to be grossly unsatisfactory in some way? I'm not saying that any of them are, but what if it should occur? Does the average LUGNET member just sit around waiting for that admin (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I did. I also thought about the implications or the extra-ordinary problem that would take Dave K to actually stand up and say something that runs contary to the 'status quo', at least where the administration is concerned. What about those (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Respectfull communication. Which has not been happening here. I think Todd has been pretty clear for quite some time what the policy on language is. Sure, it isn't spelled out (and the admin team has recognized that the TOU DO need updating), (...) (20 years ago, 3-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) For much of its history, lugnet has had very little active policing of posts by admins. In the days before the transition team evolved into admins on lugnet, the place wasn’t overrun with swearing. Occassionally someone would do ‘wrong’ and (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Tim Courtney wrote: <snip> (...) Dave, Don't and not cancel each other out so what you get is "I'm strongly advocating for you to *be( stopped as well as posting this in public either." Sticking to issues not people, I find (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Kevin, You may not have ever been in this sort of position - but it is extremely stressful. Todd's legacy of the 'Buddha' responce to everything is something to strive towards, but is difficult to always achieve. Please understand that we are (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Believe me, I understand. My life goal has always been to be a type B person. I'm not there yet. Please note that I suggested that we *all* take a timeout. As much as I love lugnet, I would not volunteer to be an Admin. I do not have the (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Thank you for your thoughtful responce. For the time being, I respectfully disagree. -Lenny (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I would also point out that Lar coun't resist mentioning the provocation in his "(URL) apology post>". Sounds too much like "I'm sorry, but it was his fault" which just doesn't cut it with me. ROSCO (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !
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(...) It sounds to me like there isnt anything Lar can do to 'cut it' with you. What Lar said is that he is responsible for his actions regardless of any context - including being provoked. I personally am very pleased by Lar's public statement of (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) I am referring to this post, where Larry is berating, resorts to name calling, to the point of questioning people's manhood. From where I'm sitting as an Admin, this is crossing the line. (URL) this post: (URL) respect Larry for 12407 (...) If (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Well then, would the Lugnet Admins consider it a personal insult if I was to create a poll: "Do you think Lugnet Admin is a good job match for Larry?" "Yes" "No" "Don't know" "Don't care" ROSCO (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I personally wouldn't feel it was a personal insult if worded exactly as you have it here. I also wouldn't want to see my name there instead of Larry. I hope you understand the difference between a poll asking for people's opinion of Larry (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) **snip** (...) Yeah, I thought the guidelines might have been spelled-out already but didn't know where. Now that I think of it, I remember that Larry answered my earlier question about timeout policy. But now that you mention it, I have a (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) This was meant as a Jibe. (...) While it is true that he has canceled the contest, the very creation of such a vicious attack shows, IMHO, a distinctly closed minded and petty mindset. I do acknowledge that he canceled the contest, but only at (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Greg, please be assured, that I did not believe for a moment that all of rtlToronto was in agreement on this. I simply meant to imply the group of those who did encourage and donate to the spiteful cause. (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Joseph Greene wrote: <snip> (...) And I'll say that there's a history shared between Larry and Chris that not all of us are privvy to. I know Chirs, and he wouldn't have done this out of some quick 'off-the-cuff' "I'm bored (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ok, Ok, I'll stop ragging on that one.. I just thought the phrase ' condensing and rude attitudes' was too hilarious to ignore... I'm sorry , I still can't think it without laughing. (...) Ok, I will acceed this point. True (...) True, I (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Just to clarify, it was Lenny, in (URL) that posted the link here in lugnet, not Chris. -Rob A> (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Ok, then I tender my apologies to Chris regarding the posting on Lugnet of the link to the contest. (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I wasn't going to get involved with this, at all, but now I just can't resist. This is just like if, say, I did porn. Hypothetically. In my own time, out of working hours. And then my work found out about it because someone at my work saw a (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Well done Joseph. Seriously. Thank you. This new information brings up an interesting twist and question, but first I will adamntly say that what Chris did was wrong, in any forum. If Chris did the contest completely outside of lugnet, and a (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) No, the primary reason will be said to be the original "Wish's" (sic) post. The justification is weak, as others have pointed out, because there are other examples of others who have put that sort of sentiment out but they haven't been timed (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I would have to agree, although, if it were my board (thank goodness it isn't) I'd probably have ended up banning a couple of folks for a while (myself included, I do seem to have some bad days).... But as I've said before.. not my pond. (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Iain Hendry wrote in message ... (...) out of (...) work (...) To make the parallel true, though, the porn would have to name or otherwise specifically involve either your boss or a co-worker, and name your place of work (as Chris's post on JLUG (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Hi Kevin, I'll be the first to say that Larry has a legitimate gripe. The question is, can Lenny bring the very offending action in JLUG to lugnet, and then punish Chris on lugnet for the offense? Lenny's justification for "indefinitly (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) By *all* do you really mean all? As in shutting the discussion groups down for a period of time? That would be awfully unfair to innocent bystanders. Or do you mean all involved in these recent threads? (...) Well, Larry himself has said that (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Todd, Thanks for the reply. I was referring to all involved in these recent threads. Thanks for checking. I was not suggesting that the folks in this thread have their posting priveleges suspended, but rather we each voluntarily suspend (...) (20 years ago, 4-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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<SNIP> condensing and rude attitudes, <SNIP> Did you mean condescending? or am I misunderstanding and you really did mean making smaller! Tim (20 years ago, 7-Mar-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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