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(...) In that case, provide a method for a poster to pre-vote on their message when they post it. Steve (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) And it at least as much sense to have an implicit 'indifferent' vote from the system as it does to have a special rule for the case of zero votes. Steve (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) That was (almost) my first question/concern, as well. (...) Hmm. I'd like to see something available, at least through SMTP, assuming users-of-newsreaders could vote by forwarding messages to one (or more) vote-accounts. Then again, I haven't (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) well, I don't think that's what Jeremy meant, but lugnet's home page isn't set to expire immediatly - if you hit back on your browser to return to it, you get the old version (what you saw when you were there) and not the current one... :) Dan (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message news:Fqyn59.J7z@lugnet.com... (...) Thing. (...) one (...) wasn't (...) :-) This is a good point, and one which I noticed yesterday. I'm sure other, possibly better, sites are out there which (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hmm, this is curious. Looking through the dead-articles file on the server, I don't see a copy of your message having been bounced. Do you happen to remember what error message you received? My guess is that your newsreader gave you the error (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ya, except that the one vote from the system will probably be implicit (rather than explicit), and applied only on-the-fly while calculating the final rating, otherwise every article would show with a score of zero and one mysterious vote. In (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Wha?! You've seen CGI-generated pages from www.lugnet.com get *cached*? That shouldn't be happening... Could you provide a sample URL and I'll have a look through the httpd logs. --Todd (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Implicitly in the n variable; nowhere explicitly. (...) Well, it's nearly impossible to know the number of people subscribed to a given group, and it's even more impossible to know how many people have read and understood a given message. It (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) don't (...) Oh... I think I get it now... So every person will have: *a Private channel that tracks groups or posts by your request. Only you can can see what these are. *A Public channel that also tracks groups or posts, but anyone can check (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Wow, that's cool! The geek in me is waking up... So basically what you said here, is that every message gets one vote from the system as a softner - and that the vote is always zero. Wow. Again, cool. -Shiri (a real geek at heart) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) display (...) Another data item which would lend itself well to this is the links sidebar for each newsgroup page. In fact, just about any possible piece of data on LUGNET can be served into a channel -- member pages, thread info, even search (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes: [snip a lot of math] (...) where in here does it take into account how many people are in the group? Can you weigh in the number of people who are subscribed to that group? Since they are the ones most (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Upon more reflection, I'm thinking that the "square-rooted-average" sum(V,1,n) w = ---...--- sqrt(n) isn't so great afterall. Its biggest plus is that it distinguishes nicely between sets of votes which have the same average and a different number (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yep. My case of confusing the target of the initial insult is good evidence of that. I'll file it under "Whoops", and continue undaunted in my quest to become Larry-like in terms of misteaks. :-, Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I agree that was probably the problem - unfortunately from a NNTP viewpoint it's not that clear. Carbon 60 (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.promo, lugnet.admin.general)
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Note that if you use these links, LUGNET gets referral dollars (with no increase in what you as the purchaser pay for the books) which is a Good Thing. And these seem like neato books too! However, just to play devil's advocate, if one wanted to be (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Please don't post auction announcements in this group. The lugnet.technic group is not for commerce, only for discussions. Fredrik (FUT: lugnet.admin.general.) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.technic, lugnet.admin.general)
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Hi Erin, (...) Funny, I thought you were a male, then after Todd's post, i was thinking, "oops..." This has happened to me with other people and with myself (ie, other people thought I was a male or were unsure :) ... Oh well, I guess that's just (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.people)
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(...) Someday I really have to change my name to a more masculine spelling (In other words; Todd, I'm male.) Erin (Soon to be Aren) Windross -- (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Simon, Try to cut these guys a little slack. They've put a whole lot of work into getting Kidlug started with not a tremendous amount of positive feedback. They're also somewhat younger and also relatively new to LUGNET. -Tim (URL) timcourtne (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.promo, lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Besides just having the final vote result (score), it would also be nice to know how many people have actually voted. Another very useful feature would be to be able to sort posts in different ways. Right now they are just listed in (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think it's possible that .promo's charter isn't clear. Perhaps it should be stated that it's not a place to promote one's own items, but rather to talk about TLC's promotional items. -Shiri (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.promo, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Why has this been cross-posted to lugnet.promo - it's completely irrelevant. I call it SPAM. Carbon 60 P.S. Added lugnet.admin.general (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.promo, lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Does this make you read or avoid them? :) Would it be possible to have a thread view that showed the 'best' articles? E.G., I don't have time to read through all of the religious debate on off-topic, but I wouldn't mind reading through some of (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Todd Lehman (<FqvI8u.LzE@lugnet.com>) wrote at 01:17:18 (...) So what's it for? A surrogate for me-too posts? Speaking as an NNTP person, I juge articles by the number of replies they get, and I wouldn't see any of this at all. (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'm not sure if referenced votes *should* be weighted differently, I just thought I'd throw it in :) Hmm.. if you did weight top-20 page posts differently, then *really* cool posts in low-traffic groups would still get ignored.. unless you (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Why are you asking me? Why not ask the guy who started this discussion? What part of "Off-topic.debate" isn't clear? This has actually been a very good discussion - much better than most. This has been the most benign discussion I have ever (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Thought it was me he was trying to provoke! Jeez, following a thread in 4 different groups is hard - I would never have seen Nan Zhou's apology in .underground if you hadn't referred to it! Kevin (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes. But let me force a cookie to be stored if I want to as well, even if the server thinks there is one there... and let it be my OLD cookie if I want. Sometimes my machines get screwed up. Sometimes I may have copied a cookie file over but (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) LOL! I'd be willing to endure that as long as it supports lugnet ;-) -Shiri (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Wow, cool! Since when did this start?! -Shiri (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.test, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I almost get what you're getting at, but I'm stuck on one part of it. In the early stages of an article's appearance, let's say it's position 19 out of 20 on a top-20 page, and let's say only 7 people have voted +1 on it so far. Should it, in (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ah, that makes *all* the difference! The danger of someone taking out 100 LUGNET memberships to skew the votes and always have the most 'interesting' messages.. isn't really a danger! Richard (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Oh -- while I was out grocery shopping I just realized this: What is sqrt(n)? It's nothing more than a fancy way of writing n^(1/2). So: What if the exponent didn't have to be exactly 1/2, but instead was allowed to vary? Then what dynamics (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ah - yep I understood the sqrt part. What I meant is that creating a list of the most popular messages skews the vote - because the most votes will end up being put on items on the list, only because people use the list to browse. From a (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Oh-- OH! ... that makes it clearer. I was thrown off by Richard's first sentence - "Sounds Funky! Wouldn't it be nice to have..." (...) I agree. It all depends on people's range of interest. I mean, if 100 people responded in a +1 feedback to (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Wait, are you talking now about the slope of the function or the value of the function? I thought Richard was asking if having a "Top X" list sorted by the value of the scoring function (not its slope or second derivative, which would have (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It'll just use the Member ID to verify who you are. All magically and transparently through cookies. You have to be logged in, of course, and only Members can moderate (cast votes). (...) The system would enforce one vote per person, so the (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) IMHO, it absolutely should be allowed, yes! The worst you could artificially boost the scores on your own messages is relatively tiny anyway -- once a few other people also have cast votes. I would also argue that it's not necessarily (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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