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To whomever is currently maintaining Datsville...
I would like to submit the two buildings featured on the following page for
inclusion in Datsville.
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/legobap.htm
Thanks!!
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> To whomever is currently maintaining Datsville...
>
>
> I would like to submit the two buildings featured on the following page for
> inclusion in Datsville.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/legobap.htm
>
> Thanks!!
I am not currently updating my unofficial version of Datsville, but at least I
have added your two nice models to the "Pending" folder.
Especially, I like the Yellow Catle model. I think it would be a nice addition
to Datsville - whenever I get the time to...
/Tore
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A new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
http://web.telia.com/~u66203131/LDraw/Datsville/
The newly added history.txt reads:
" rev018 - 2006-10-31
" Yet another Datsville restart.
" Added history.txt (=this file) and MovedTo.bat
" Ran MovedTo.bat - 2082 references to moved files found in 97 files
" Added Bmhcastl.ldr and Bmhmine.ldr to the Pending folder
"
" rev017 - 2003-02-02
" http://home.swipnet.se/simlego/ldraw/datsvill/rev017.zip
" As it was on Feb 2 2003
" Any undocumented changes between 2003-02-02 and 2006-10-31 are lost.
Not much news, just the MovedTo referenses updated and the new file
history.txt.
Once again, I hope to make a new restart, I think Datsville deserves it. But the
todo list seems endless.
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
A new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
The new history.txt reads:
" rev019 - 2009-11-22
" Yet another Datsville restart.
" Ran MovedTo.bat - 95 references to moved files found in 36 file(s)
"
" rev018 - 2006-10-31
" Yet another Datsville restart.
" Added history.txt (=this file) and MovedTo.bat
" Ran MovedTo.bat - 2082 references to moved files found in 97 files
" Added Bmhcastl.ldr and Bmhmine.ldr to the Pending folder
"
" rev017 - 2003-02-02
" http://home.swipnet.se/simlego/ldraw/datsvill/rev017.zip
" As it was on Feb 2 2003
" Any undocumented changes between 2003-02-02 and 2006-10-31 are lost.
/Tore
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A new revision (rev020) of my unofficial Datsville is at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
To box or not to box... I'm inclined to replace all parts where both studs and
bottom tubes are completely hidden with box replacement files. That's in order
to save processor power. Datsville is a *huge* model and few renderers can cope
with such an amount of polygons. Being very sonservative about what parts can be
replaced, nobody should be able to tell the difference as long as no model is
taken apart. A utility that removes all b\ references in a specified file or all
files in an intire folder would be a piece of cake to cook up. Any thoughts? (I
know, it is my project and I can do as I please with it, but I'd still like
input.)
I have also thought of subfolder it, but decided not to - at least not at this
point.
Note: This should not be seen as any kind of competition against Michael
Horvath's efforts! He just happened to trigger me to start working on my project
again.
/Tore
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A new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
Rev023.zip includes a zip file with all boxed parts needed for Datasville
Rev023
*** If you like to share camera and look_at data, reply here or mail me ***
*** (By doing so, you agree on that they will be ***
*** used, copied, edited and so on) ***
The new history.txt reads:
rev023 - 2009-11-30
First boxed version
Requires Boxed dat files dated 2009-11-29 or later
(Download latest boxed dats at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/LDraw
Unpack to <LDrawDir>\Parts\B
Do NOT overwrite parts in <LDrawDir>\Parts)
Boxed most buildings
Fixed problems with Town Hall wall offset
Added 3024L46.dat "Plate 1 x 1 TransYellow with POV Light" for use in
Otbjjm.ldr
(Needs further adjustments)
Replaced 3024.dat+light.dat in Otbjjm.ldr with 3024L46.dat
Replaced slope bricks in Ojwphone.ldr according to author's instructions
Deleted score.ldr - already inlined
Added camera.dat and look_at.dat (to be used with L3P-AddOn)
Adding cameras.ldr - See REMs inside file for info and instructions
Began to add "0 Location" info for the models (Location relative to Town.ldr)
rev022 - 2009-11-25
Corrected author info in _bjwgs51.ldr Found the lds source so now I know I made
it.
This may be the last version without "boxed" models since I have decided to give
it another try.
rev021 - 2009-11-24
Updated author info in Bmspost.ldr Martin Svensson changed to Martin Palmberg
Renamed Bmspost.ldr to Bmppost.ldr and updated references in town00.ldr and
Whereis.txt
rev020 - 2009-11-22
Replaced unofficial parts and primitives.
x124 in _rjwmet2.ldr - replaced by official parts
x2916 in _rjwmet1.ldr _rjwmet3.ldr - replaced by official parts
x6246f in _bjwgas1.ldr - replaced by official part
1-4dish - orphaned file, deleted
3039p01 - can't find out what it was meant to be, replaced by 3039
4133 in Bjvthall.ldr - replaced by official part
30117 in Bbgwtowr.ldr - replaced by official part, corrected alignment
Bbgwtowr.ldr - corrected Parent info
NOT replaced:
x772parr in _bjwgas1.ldr - not yet official
x772pshe in _bjwgas1.ldr - not yet official
x973t03 in Bjjbank.ldr - not yet official(?)
x606p01b in Town02.ldr Town0-2.ldr Town20.ldr Town0-3.ldr - under
investigation
rev019 - 2009-11-22
Yet another Datsville restart.
Ran MovedTo.bat - 95 references to moved files found in 36 file(s)
rev018 - 2006-10-31
Yet another Datsville restart.
Added history.txt (=this file) and MovedTo.bat
Ran MovedTo.bat - 2082 references to moved files found in 97 file(s)
Added Bmhcastl.ldr and Bmhmine.ldr to the Pending folder
rev017 - 2003-02-02
http://home.swipnet.se/simlego/ldraw/datsvill/rev017.zip
As it was on Feb 2 2003
Any undocumented changes between 2003-02-02 and 2006-10-31 are lost.
/Tore
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A new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
Rev024.zip includes a zip file with all boxed parts needed for Datsville
Rev024
Added glass panes to some windows
Minor typo corrections
Added unofficial parts to zip file (again...)
*** If you like to share camera and look_at data, reply here or mail me ***
*** (By doing so, you agree on that they will be ***
*** used, copied, edited and so on) ***
/Tore
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Yes, it's growing again! I have added the Datsville Memorial by Manfred
Moolhuysen. (Sorry, you just had to wait 11 years...!)
The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
* Filled a large number of gaps in the ground - still plenty more to fill.
* Simplified hundreds of parts to save CPU power - still thousands to go.
* Removed a railroad crossing, they were just too dense.
* Moved hospital some studs.
* Replaced obsolete minifig parts.
* Deleted a "problem tree" that had grown into a house(!)
* Cleaned up some junk code - hopefully files are easier to manually read now.
* MPD-ed some buildings.
* Introducing Datsville Diet - a folder with heavily simplified models for fast
rendering.
*** If you like to share camera and look_at data, reply here or mail me ***
*** (By doing so, you agree on that they will be ***
*** used, copied, edited and so on) ***
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> Yes, it's growing again! I have added the Datsville Memorial by Manfred
> Moolhuysen. (Sorry, you just had to wait 11 years...!)
>
> The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
> http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
Here's a picture of the Memorial (the red blob to the left of the Church)
Had to move three trees to make room for it.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=4364782
Speaking of trees - I think we need more different trees and other plants. We
need more variation.
Please submit your plants and I promise it will not take 11 years before I plant
them in Datsville!
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > Yes, it's growing again! I have added the Datsville Memorial by Manfred
> > Moolhuysen. (Sorry, you just had to wait 11 years...!)
> >
> > The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
> > http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
>
>
> Here's a picture of the Memorial (the red blob to the left of the Church)
> Had to move three trees to make room for it.
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=4364782
>
> Speaking of trees - I think we need more different trees and other plants. We
> need more variation.
> Please submit your plants and I promise it will not take 11 years before I plant
> them in Datsville!
>
> /Tore
Hehe, just discovered a funny typo I made: Datsville has now become a "Point
Project" I wonder what I meant by that... :)
Is there a way to edit that subject line in Brickshelf?
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > > Yes, it's growing again! I have added the Datsville Memorial by Manfred
> > > Moolhuysen. (Sorry, you just had to wait 11 years...!)
> > >
> > > The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
> > > http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
> >
> >
> > Here's a picture of the Memorial (the red blob to the left of the Church)
> > Had to move three trees to make room for it.
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=4364782
> >
> > Speaking of trees - I think we need more different trees and other plants. We
> > need more variation.
> > Please submit your plants and I promise it will not take 11 years before I plant
> > them in Datsville!
> >
> > /Tore
>
> Hehe, just discovered a funny typo I made: Datsville has now become a "Point
> Project" I wonder what I meant by that... :)
>
> Is there a way to edit that subject line in Brickshelf?
>
> /Tore
Yes, just hit edit if you are logged in and the page
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=simlego is displayed.
Then you can edit that description - not the folder itself.
cu
mikeheide
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Heidemann wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > Hehe, just discovered a funny typo I made: Datsville has now become a "Point
> > Project" I wonder what I meant by that... :)
> >
> > Is there a way to edit that subject line in Brickshelf?
> >
> > /Tore
> Yes, just hit edit if you are logged in and the page
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=simlego is displayed.
>
> Then you can edit that description - not the folder itself.
>
> cu
> mikeheide
Thanks Mike! That did the trick.
/Tore
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The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
rev029 - 2010-02-27
Added Memorial to Diet version too
Town1-1.ldr: Adjusted Bjphous1.ldr and Ljphills (10LDU offset)
Town1-1.ldr: Added some grass around Bjphous1.ldr
Town1-1.ldr: Added Ommbelvd.ldr - Datsville Belvedere by Manfred Moolhuysen
Created Mtebelv1.ldr - Minifig Belvedere for Ommbelvd.ldr
Sorted people and vehicles in townpeep, and added helpful remarks
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is available at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
It's even more of an "in progress" version than usual since big changes at
several places are in progress.
rev030 - 2010-03-18
Town-20.ldr: Added Rtgdb425.mpd - Datsville Train DB425 by Tim Gould
Created Town-21.ldr Pasted some extracted railroad tracks from Town-20.ldr in
it
Restored orphaned file Vada09se.ldr - DragonMotors Auld-Class 09 2nd Ed (A09se)
Vada09se.ldr: Re-painted to color 16
Vbmw.ldr: Renamed to V__bmw.ldr, re-painted to color 16
Added Vbsconv2.ldr, same as Vbsconv1.ldr but color 16 and driverless
townpeep.ldr: Moved Vada09se.ldr z+300
Deleted orphaned double model file Vada09s2.ldr
Replaced all green x606p01b.dat with black 606p01.dat
todo:
Move Rjjtofc.ldr - maybe to planned sidetrack at Town-21 or Town-2-1?
Rtgdb425.mpd: Populate and make diet version
Finish shopping center at tempfile @T-11NEW.ldr,
then overwrite Town-11.ldr and move baseplates from Town01
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> Town-20.ldr: Added Rtgdb425.mpd - Datsville Train DB425 by Tim Gould
And here's a rendering with Tim's Train entering the station
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40764264@N02/4441914805/
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The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is available at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
Here's a pic of the newly added Mosque:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/simlego/4628869678/in/set-72157623642914352/
rev032 - 2010-05-22
Created InProgress folder for unfinished stuff
Decided to put aside work on new shopping center (Moved to InProgress folder)
Town-2-1.ldr: Added Bfgmoske.ldr - Mosque, minifig scale by Fredrik Glöckner
rev031 - 2010-04-14
Boxed some hundred more parts using new LDBoxer2010a
Townpeep.ldr: Extracted people and vehicles into submodels of Town.ldr
Townpeep.ldr: Decided to keep it, but LDSwitch it off in Town.ldr
/Tore
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After almost 11 years of dealing with Datsville, I still find the coordinate
system confusing. This picture may help to understand a little.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/simlego/4632796641/in/set-72157623509491211/
The yellow line is the z axis at x=0. The white represents the x axis at z=0.
The further upper left, the lower the x value. Pink line is x axis at z=1280, ie
two baseplates away. The harderst part to me to get into my head is that the x
value decreases while getting further away at the top left, while z increases
while getting further away at the top right.
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> After almost 11 years of dealing with Datsville, I still find the coordinate
> system confusing. This picture may help to understand a little.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/simlego/4632796641/in/set-72157623509491211/
> The yellow line is the z axis at x=0. The white represents the x axis at z=0.
> The further upper left, the lower the x value. Pink line is x axis at z=1280, ie
> two baseplates away. The harderst part to me to get into my head is that the x
> value decreases while getting further away at the top left, while z increases
> while getting further away at the top right.
Thats normal behavior in each coordinate system. My problem is more the y axis
in LDraw that it decreases if it is higher!
But thanks for that information. I am sure it will help in some cases.
cu
mikeheide
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Heidemann wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > After almost 11 years of dealing with Datsville, I still find the coordinate
> > system confusing. This picture may help to understand a little.
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/simlego/4632796641/in/set-72157623509491211/
> > The yellow line is the z axis at x=0. The white represents the x axis at z=0.
> > The further upper left, the lower the x value. Pink line is x axis at z=1280, ie
> > two baseplates away. The harderst part to me to get into my head is that the x
> > value decreases while getting further away at the top left, while z increases
> > while getting further away at the top right.
>
> Thats normal behavior in each coordinate system. My problem is more the y axis
> in LDraw that it decreases if it is higher!
>
> But thanks for that information. I am sure it will help in some cases.
>
> cu
> mikeheide
Thanks for the response. I know you're right; it's normal behaviour for
coordinate systems. But I guess I'm not normal. :)
For some reason, I have no problems with the y axis, despite it goes the wrong
way. Probably because you always know what's up and down but not always what's
north, south, east, or west. That applies even to the real world. Or x+, x-, z+,
or z- in Datsville. After the model has been rotated around the y axis (the only
normal rotation for a town model), I still know what's up and down in it but
gets even more lost about x and z directions.
Btw, I am thinking about the fact that Datsville can in fact also be divided
into baseplates of 32x32 studs. It may probably be more helpful when you try to
find your way in Datsville (but at the same time, maybe adds even more
confusion?). The x and z coordinates of all baseplates are multiples of 640.
Divide them by 640 and we get comprehensive numbers we may use in some way. What
if we create a system for labelling all baseplate positions after those numbers?
Unfortunately, there are negative numbers so I don't know the best way to deal
with that, and to deal in a future safe way when Datsville hopefully expands in
all directions. Any suggestions on this?
/Tore
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Tore Eriksson wrote:
> Btw, I am thinking about the fact that Datsville can in fact also be
> divided into baseplates of 32x32 studs. It may probably be more
> helpful when you try to find your way in Datsville (but at the same
> time, maybe adds even more confusion?). The x and z coordinates of all
> baseplates are multiples of 640. Divide them by 640 and we get
> comprehensive numbers we may use in some way. What if we create a
> system for labelling all baseplate positions after those numbers?
> Unfortunately, there are negative numbers so I don't know the best way
> to deal with that, and to deal in a future safe way when Datsville
> hopefully expands in all directions. Any suggestions on this?
What about mapping Datsville in four zones? Each zone matching a
quadrant in the (x,z) coordinate system. Within the zones it will be
possible to use positive coordinates.
It could for example be like this:
+ Zone A (x>0,z>0)
+ Zone B (x>0,z<0)
+ Zone C (x<0,z<0)
+ Zone D (x<0,z>0)
Within each zone the coordinates of a plate can be written "Z-I-J",
where Z is the zone identification letter, I = ceil(abs(x)/640) and J =
ceil(abs(y)/640).
If I read the notes at
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/simlego/4632796641/in/set-72157623509491211/>
correctly, the above system means that:
+ the fire station is located at A-1-1,
+ my small parisian shop at D-3-3, and
+ the town hall at D-6-1.
Play well,
Jacob
--
Formula One Racers (with building instructions):
http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Transport/Biler/Formel-1/
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The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is available at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
Here's a pic of the newly added Mining Facility and L3GO Amateur Radio Club
http://www.flickr.com/photos/simlego/4718731169/in/set-72157623642914352/
It also shows the new location of Datsville Police Building, moved from
Town02.ldr to Town0-2.ldr, and some newly added landscapes.
And a pic of the newly added MC gang:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/simlego/4719378774/in/set-72157623642914352/
rev034 - 2010-06-21
Added lots and lots of sidewalks
Created Town1-2.ldr, added grey baseplates
Town1-2.ldr: Added Bmhmine.ldr - Mining Facility by Michael Horvath
Town1-2.ldr: Added Vjwrockb.ldr - Constructions Rock Breaker by Jonathan Wilson
Town0-2.ldr: Added gray jphills style hills
Town-10.ldr: Moved mjvwomn4.ldr x-80 to avoid collition with pole
Town-11.ldr: Added three mc's
rev033 - 2010-06-06
b__polis.ldr: Moved Datsville Police Building from Town02.ldr to Town0-2.ldr
Vdhscrp.ldr: Moved Earth Scraper from Town20.ldr to Town10.ldr
Town0-2.ldr: Added Bjgham.mpd - L3GO Amateur Radio Club by Jonathan Gevaryahu
Town0-3.ldr: Deleted!
Renamed, realigned, and edited descriptions of _tsw*.ldr to Ljvsw*.ldr
Bjvthall.ldr: adjusted y-position of mlzmayor.ldr
Town00.ldr: adjusted y-position of mjvwave.ldr
Town20.ldr: MPD-ed O__crane.ldr - Crane
/Tore
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The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is available at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.office.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Datsville/Rev037.zip
No exciting news. Just some clean-up work and removing light sources from the
include file hills-pov, to prevent light flood.
/Tore
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The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
* Fixed minor problems with minifig arms and a misplaced BFC statement
* Updated MovedTo parts with parts from LDraw.org 2011-01 Parts Update
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
> http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
>
> * Fixed minor problems with minifig arms and a misplaced BFC statement
> * Updated MovedTo parts with parts from LDraw.org 2011-01 Parts Update
>
> /Tore
I have some time on hand that I plan to spend on Datsville. Mainly some
organizational things and a few tweaks. I will use your revision as a basis.
I think it would be cool to solicit submissions from users of LDD as well as
LDraw, for instance from users of the Eurobricks discussion forums. I'll post a
message there once I'm done.
Mike
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
> > http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
> >
> > * Fixed minor problems with minifig arms and a misplaced BFC statement
> > * Updated MovedTo parts with parts from LDraw.org 2011-01 Parts Update
> >
> > /Tore
>
>
> I have some time on hand that I plan to spend on Datsville. Mainly some
> organizational things and a few tweaks. I will use your revision as a basis.
>
> I think it would be cool to solicit submissions from users of LDD as well as
> LDraw, for instance from users of the Eurobricks discussion forums. I'll post a
> message there once I'm done.
>
>
> Mike
That's really great news, Mike! I like all your ideas and I give you quite free
hands. And if there isn't anything I absolutely can't accept, I'll include your
changes in "my" future unofficial versions of Datsville.
How about a shared Dropbox folder?
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > > The new revision of my unofficial Datsville is at:
> > > http://cid-7183b586c107b55b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Datsville
> > >
> > > * Fixed minor problems with minifig arms and a misplaced BFC statement
> > > * Updated MovedTo parts with parts from LDraw.org 2011-01 Parts Update
> > >
> > > /Tore
> >
> >
> > I have some time on hand that I plan to spend on Datsville. Mainly some
> > organizational things and a few tweaks. I will use your revision as a basis.
> >
> > I think it would be cool to solicit submissions from users of LDD as well as
> > LDraw, for instance from users of the Eurobricks discussion forums. I'll post a
> > message there once I'm done.
> >
> >
> > Mike
>
> That's really great news, Mike! I like all your ideas and I give you quite free
> hands. And if there isn't anything I absolutely can't accept, I'll include your
> changes in "my" future unofficial versions of Datsville.
>
> How about a shared Dropbox folder?
>
>
> /Tore
Here is an image of the changes:
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_map_legend.jpg
Here are the changed files:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?u2vo5kocc32k2nr
I reorganized all the models so that they are labeled consecutively, and appear
in consecutively numbered blocks (block_001, block_002, etc.). The city streets
and traffic now also appear in their own "layers". I find this to be a bit more
manageable. Lastly, I had to move a few buildings in order to extend the
streets, and I tentatively added two parking garages in case Datsville gets
bigger. These last two can be removed if need be.
I had created a Google Code project for Datsville a few years ago. I will see
about uploading everything there shortly. It's been a while so I'm not 100% sure
I even remember my password correctly.
Mike
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_map_legend.jpg
It looks like somebody has planted some trees on the railroad on block 20.
Some possible additions to Datsville:
A house with an apartment and a shop:
http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/By/Huse/Bunden_og_Kanden/datsville_edition.mpd
A bicycle track and a bike shed:
http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Julekalender/2008/04/vej_med_tr%E6.mpd
A bus stop:
http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Milj%F8er/Bregnerod/Busstoppested/busstoppested.mpd
A boat house (for placing down by the river side):
http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Transport/Skibe/Neyst/neyst.mpd
A rowing boat (to place outside the boat houst):
http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Transport/Skibe/Rob%E5d/jolle.mpd
Play well,
Jacob
--
Jacob's LEGO cars:
http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Transport/Biler/
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
>
> > http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_map_legend.jpg
>
> It looks like somebody has planted some trees on the railroad on block 20.
Thanks! I noticed that one, but was worried I missed something else as well.
> Some possible additions to Datsville:
>
> A house with an apartment and a shop:
> http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/By/Huse/Bunden_og_Kanden/datsville_edition.mpd
>
> A bicycle track and a bike shed:
> http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Julekalender/2008/04/vej_med_tr%E6.mpd
>
> A bus stop:
> http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Milj%F8er/Bregnerod/Busstoppested/busstoppested.mpd
>
> A boat house (for placing down by the river side):
> http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Transport/Skibe/Neyst/neyst.mpd
>
> A rowing boat (to place outside the boat houst):
> http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Transport/Skibe/Rob%E5d/jolle.mpd
>
> Play well,
>
> Jacob
I will take a look at these.
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I like the two story house model. But, could I make a slight adjustment? For
instance, I don't think it is deep enough.
Mike
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> > > I have some time on hand that I plan to spend on Datsville. Mainly some
> > > organizational things and a few tweaks. I will use your revision as a basis.
> > >
> > > I think it would be cool to solicit submissions from users of LDD as well as
> > > LDraw, for instance from users of the Eurobricks discussion forums. I'll post a
> > > message there once I'm done.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike
> >
> > That's really great news, Mike! I like all your ideas and I give you quite free
> > hands. And if there isn't anything I absolutely can't accept, I'll include your
> > changes in "my" future unofficial versions of Datsville.
> >
> >
> > /Tore
>
>
> Here is an image of the changes:
>
> http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_map_legend.jpg
>
> Here are the changed files:
>
> http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?u2vo5kocc32k2nr
>
>
> I reorganized all the models so that they are labeled consecutively, and appear
> in consecutively numbered blocks (block_001, block_002, etc.). The city streets
> and traffic now also appear in their own "layers". I find this to be a bit more
> manageable. Lastly, I had to move a few buildings in order to extend the
> streets, and I tentatively added two parking garages in case Datsville gets
> bigger. These last two can be removed if need be.
Hmm, I'm aware that I said I'll give you quite free hands, but well...
First, the order of those blocks are a little strange to me:
20,19,18
14,15,16,17
13,4,3,1,2
12,5,6,7,8
9,10,11
(and building #45 does not even belong to any block?)
I can't find any logic behind that numbering, and as Datsville hopefully grows,
it will become even more inconsistent. I've never really liked "town00",
"town-21", but at least there was a clear logic behind that naming.
Second, you have made an (almost) irreversable Boxer simplification, removing as
good as every existing stud. That could have been made in almost every viewer as
well as L3P instead of altering the models.
Third, even if I realise I can't cling to the 8.3 format forever, long filenames
make my MoveTo utility useless. That would probably be no problem, there must be
plenty of better programs available to do the same job. But there has to be
something to gain when you do all the work to rename the models. IMO,
"building_003" tells a lot less than "bjgchur" B for building, JG for Joseph
Gonzalez, and max five more chars for a description. In this case, chur for
Church. I guess it's time to leave the 8.3 boundaries, even though I will miss
the safety within it. But when break free from it, I think it would be a good
idea that the filename of the models includes which parent block it belongs to.
So, for example, if we keep the name Block019, the shopping center will not be
Building_036 but rather Building_019A and the train station Building_019B
instead of Building_037.
Forth, where is the Radio club house behind the Police station? I had great
plans for it to have a central role in a mysterious adventure taking place in
Datsville.
Fifth, there where some files missing
vehicle010.ldr
block_009.ldr
infrastructure_.ldr
m6643.ldr
m6666.ldr
I really like most of the reorganisation of the buildings, they make good sense.
But in all, the renaming is IMHO a step down instead of an improvement. And the
simplification is too heavy an can't be undone (which would have been possible
if I had developed LDSwitch and LDBoxer as I once planned, so I take some
responsability for that...) So, I am very, very sad to say I can't currently
jump off my project and join yours for now being.
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> Hmm, I'm aware that I said I'll give you quite free hands, but well...
>
> First, the order of those blocks are a little strange to me:
> 20,19,18
> 14,15,16,17
> 13,4,3,1,2
> 12,5,6,7,8
> 9,10,11
That's because there is no order other than first come, first serve. Nor is a
fixed order possible unless you design the town using some algorithm. This is
like a typical database.
> (and building #45 does not even belong to any block?)
Yes, it does belong to a block, #21.
> I can't find any logic behind that numbering, and as Datsville hopefully grows,
> it will become even more inconsistent. I've never really liked "town00",
> "town-21", but at least there was a clear logic behind that naming.
The old system arbitrarily split the town at fixed intervals, cutting through
neighborhoods in the process. This resulted in inconsistencies such as a house
being located in one file and its back yard in another. The new blocks on the
other hand allow you to edit buildings that are adjacent in the same file. They
are also smaller and easier to edit.
> Second, you have made an (almost) irreversable Boxer simplification, removing as
> good as every existing stud. That could have been made in almost every viewer as
> well as L3P instead of altering the models.
Simply use a grep utility to delete all instances of the string "b\". Notepad++
can do this for a directory full of files.
> Third, even if I realise I can't cling to the 8.3 format forever, long filenames
> make my MoveTo utility useless. That would probably be no problem, there must be
> plenty of better programs available to do the same job. But there has to be
> something to gain when you do all the work to rename the models. IMO,
> "building_003" tells a lot less than "bjgchur" B for building, JG for Joseph
> Gonzalez, and max five more chars for a description. In this case, chur for
> Church. I guess it's time to leave the 8.3 boundaries, even though I will miss
The old file names were gibberish to me. What's the point of storing author
information in the file name? Better to store all that stuff in a spreadsheet,
especially if the town grows bigger. You learn in database development that when
you try too hard to name stuff you defeat yourself. Database entries are
typically identified using a single indice: 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. This will become
important later on if we create a HTML/PHP/MySQL virtual tour and town directory
which I am planning.
> the safety within it. But when break free from it, I think it would be a good
> idea that the filename of the models includes which parent block it belongs to.
> So, for example, if we keep the name Block019, the shopping center will not be
> Building_036 but rather Building_019A and the train station Building_019B
> instead of Building_037.
If you do this then you have to rename all the files when you move a building.
Much easier to simply refer to the chart I made.
> Forth, where is the Radio club house behind the Police station? I had great
> plans for it to have a central role in a mysterious adventure taking place in
> Datsville.
It has moved to the northeast, closer to the town center.
> Fifth, there where some files missing
> vehicle010.ldr
> block_009.ldr
> infrastructure_.ldr
> m6643.ldr
> m6666.ldr
I have a hard time figuring out when this occurs because MLCAD is constantly
complaining about missing sub models in MPD files. So I can't tell a real
problem from a false positive.
> I really like most of the reorganisation of the buildings, they make good sense.
> But in all, the renaming is IMHO a step down instead of an improvement. And the
> simplification is too heavy an can't be undone (which would have been possible
> if I had developed LDSwitch and LDBoxer as I once planned, so I take some
> responsability for that...) So, I am very, very sad to say I can't currently
> jump off my project and join yours for now being.
>
> /Tore
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I have started uploading everything to the Google Code account. I don't have a
SVN system set up at the moment since my main computer is not connected to the
Internet.
http://code.google.com/p/datsville/
Here's a newer town map:
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_map_legend-1.png
And some screenshots in LDView:
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_ldview_screenshot_001.png
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_ldview_screenshot_002.png
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_ldview_screenshot_with_terrain.png
Notice that in the last image I am experimenting with height field terrain with
some success.
Mike
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> I have started uploading everything to the Google Code account. I don't have a
> SVN system set up at the moment since my main computer is not connected to the
> Internet.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/datsville/
Great!
> Here's a newer town map:
>
> http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_map_legend-1.png
Magnificient! Great work, excellent designs and changes. I'll try to adapt my
version of Datsville to the layout changes, though they are undocumented as far
as I can tell. So far, I'm not ready to merge our versions into one project, but
I hope this can be done in a not distant future.
The only change of layout I disagree to is the moving of the Radio club. Even
though I agree that it fits in better there, like I said it ruins my special
plans... So, could you consider moving it back again? :)
>
> And some screenshots in LDView:
>
> http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_ldview_screenshot_001.png
> http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_ldview_screenshot_002.png
> http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_ldview_screenshot_with_terrain.png
>
>
> Notice that in the last image I am experimenting with height field terrain with
> some success.
Interesting - but I believe it conflicts to the files hills.pov, hills.ghf, and
river.ghf in the POV folder. But maybe we'll find a way to harmonize those two
approaches?
>
> Mike
Keep up the great work!
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> The only change of layout I disagree to is the moving of the Radio club. Even
> though I agree that it fits in better there, like I said it ruins my special
> plans... So, could you consider moving it back again? :)
Are you sure? It just seems so awkward at that location.
> Interesting - but I believe it conflicts to the files hills.pov, hills.ghf, and
> river.ghf in the POV folder. But maybe we'll find a way to harmonize those two
> approaches?
I think we can safely scrap the old POVray stuff. Though my version is not
necessarily an improvement.
Mike
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > Interesting - but I believe it conflicts to the files hills.pov, hills.ghf, and
> > river.ghf in the POV folder. But maybe we'll find a way to harmonize those two
> > approaches?
>
> I think we can safely scrap the old POVray stuff. Though my version is not
> necessarily an improvement.
Really? Yes, I want to scrap them too, but not until we have some better
replacement.
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> Here's a newer town map:
>
> http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/datsville_map_legend-1.png
I don't think those trees growing on the railroad track at Block_020 is a very
good idea....
:)
/Tore
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I've uploaded a second revision. It includes several new buildings as well as
some bug fixes.
Mike
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> I've uploaded a second revision. It includes several new buildings as well as
> some bug fixes.
>
>
> Mike
Excellent!
I'm still not ready to merge our versions, so I made my own Rev041 (still not
published; too much cleaning to be done first...)
First attempt crashed my PC after 13 seconds of parsing, second attempt with all
unnecessary processes closed down succeeded at almost 11 minutes.
Still missing some vehicles and probably a lot of mistakes made, but here it
is:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15954981/_town_1024x768_AA03_10min56sec.jpg
This is getting inspiring again! :D
/Tore
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A third revision is up. The main highlight is that there is now stuff to visit
across the river, as well as two bridges connecting to there!
Also, I added short text descriptions to the file names so you can tell the
models apart.
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> A third revision is up. The main highlight is that there is now stuff to visit
> across the river, as well as two bridges connecting to there!
>
> Also, I added short text descriptions to the file names so you can tell the
> models apart.
Could be a good thing to supply the link:
http://code.google.com/p/datsville/
:)
Before I dig into this revision, I only wish to add a few spontaneous comments.
Six railway crossings in such a short distance is a few too much. Two bridges is
enough. I'd say no more bridges. Beyond blocks 22, 13, and 12 I have thought of
quite barren land: Blocky Mountains or stone desert? Maybe farms beyond the
railway, but now I'm open for expansion on the other side of the river instead.
What are your future plans?
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> Before I dig into this revision, I only wish to add a few spontaneous comments.
> Six railway crossings in such a short distance is a few too much. Two bridges is
> enough. I'd say no more bridges. Beyond blocks 22, 13, and 12 I have thought of
> quite barren land: Blocky Mountains or stone desert? Maybe farms beyond the
> railway, but now I'm open for expansion on the other side of the river instead.
Noted.
> What are your future plans?
None presently until people start submitting more buildings.
Mike
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I think we have a problem here. I mailed Brickbuilder to ask permission to use
the White Camper Caravan in Datsville and meanwhile put it in the Pending
folder. He never replied, so I guess we have to take that for a 'No'.
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> I think we have a problem here. I mailed Brickbuilder to ask permission to use
> the White Camper Caravan in Datsville and meanwhile put it in the Pending
> folder. He never replied, so I guess we have to take that for a 'No'.
>
> /Tore
Too bad. It's a nice model.
Mike
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I've uploaded a seventh revision.
http://code.google.com/p/datsville/
I decided that some of the buildings I made were simply to large, so I made
smaller versions. There's also a new tree model and a radio tower (which needs
to get moved to somewhere better).
I'm no longer able to render the whole town at once in POV-Ray as I have too
little RAM in my computer. I need to come up with an alternate method of
creating town maps. :( Too bad LDView doesn't support orthographic projection;
otherwise I would start using *it* instead.
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I also think it would be nice to use the SNOT roads found here:
http://gallaghersart.com/forums/viewforum/26/
However, I don't think the distribution license is compatible.
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> I also think it would be nice to use the SNOT roads found here:
>
> http://gallaghersart.com/forums/viewforum/26/
>
> However, I don't think the distribution license is compatible.
I've been experimenting with Mike Gallagher's SNOT roads and sent him in email
asking if he would be willing to license them under the Creative Commons or
Public Domain. Here is how things look right now.
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/ldview_screenshot_009.png
I definitely think it's an improvement. The town looks more lived-in with the
new roads. I did have to move several buildings though since they no longer fit
where they were positioned originally. I also took the opportunity to expand the
shopping center so that it fit in its new slot.
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/ldview_screenshot_010.png
Mike H
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Michael Horvath wrote:
> I've been experimenting with Mike Gallagher's SNOT roads and sent him in email
> asking if he would be willing to license them under the Creative Commons or
> Public Domain. Here is how things look right now.
>
> http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/ldview_screenshot_009.png
That looks nice.
But it is also a challenge to the "home owners". Now I feel I have to
think about how to integrate my houses better with the new streets;
adding paths, driveways with ramps, and other details.
Play well,
Jacob
--
Bregnerod Transit Authority - Moving mini-figs:
http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/BTA/
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
> That looks nice.
>
> But it is also a challenge to the "home owners". Now I feel I have to
> think about how to integrate my houses better with the new streets;
> adding paths, driveways with ramps, and other details.
>
> Play well,
>
> Jacob
The same author also created a series of examples of driveways and ramps, though
I haven't used any yet.
http://gallaghersart.com/forums/viewreply/77/
Mike H
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I received a reply from Mike G. and he said that we could use his models, and
that he would update all his models with a compatible software license.
You can see in the image below that SNOT roads create a lot more options when it
comes to designing road markings, stripes, and so forth. It's a lot more obvious
now that there are one-way streets in the center of town.
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/SharkD2161/LDraw/ldview_screenshot_011.png
Mike H
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Datsville needs some more trees. It has some already but they are very basic. A
greater variety would be good. Anyone want to model some?
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> Datsville needs some more trees. It has some already but they are very basic. A
> greater variety would be good. Anyone want to model some?
I really second that request. Steve Bliss's tree is truly brilliant, but now
there are too many of them exactly alike.
/Tore
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I posted a request for more buildings at Eurobricks. See:
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=60031
Mike
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Michael Horvath wrote:
> I posted a request for more buildings at Eurobricks. See:
>
> http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=60031
>
>
>
> Mike
Ah, what a complete turn-off. Some autocratic Ayatollah (who happens to be from
Sweden, I am so ashmed to be a Swede right now!) wrote: "Before you do a request
like this it is concidered good practice to contact a moderator" WHAT???? Who do
those Popes think they are? You never see such dictatorship in good old LUGNET.
Down with Eurobricks!
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> Ah, what a complete turn-off. Some autocratic Ayatollah (who happens to be from Sweden, I am so ashmed to be a Swede right now!)
Hi Tore, LTNS!
I can understand Superkalles reaction. Dilvish (who started the thread) is new
to Eurobricks and is fishing for traffic _from_ EB. It's almost never considered
good practice anywhere. Your reaction seems a bit strong however, but it's
understandable when your pet is shoot down.
The thread at EB is opened again now that the misunderstandings are cleared.
Superkalle is a super nice guy whom I've had the pleasure of meeting IRL so no
need to be ashamed!
Hope all is well!
With best regards,
/Tobbe
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tobbe Arnesson wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > Ah, what a complete turn-off.
>
> Hi Tore, LTNS!
>
> I can understand Superkalles reaction. Dilvish (who started the thread) is new
> to Eurobricks and is fishing for traffic _from_ EB. It's almost never considered
> good practice anywhere.
I tell you, you are jumping into conclusiones. "Fishing for traffic from EB" -
LOL! C'mon seriously, is that what you really believe? You must mean something
like:
"SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
SweLUG is dead. Long live SweBrick.se!
The content below reamians for historical reasons, but everything new takes
place at SweBrick, read above. ;)" - http://news.lugnet.com/loc/se
(This was actually written there before SweLUG was completely dead...)
Do I hear the sound of breaking glass or what?
Superkalle mailed me an apology and explained about this fishing for traffic,
some even for their commercial sites. So I can somehow understand the problem.
But another problem is to draw that line between heads-ups on one's projects and
trying to steal members. In a sence, fishing for traffic is about all I've been
doing here at LUGNET. To BrickLink, BrickShelf, swipnet, Telia.com, Facebook,
DropBox, Flickr, SkyDrive... - almost every time I've wanted to share something
LEGO/LDraw realated. I find it quite inevitable, even without any sinister
motives.
I don't know why I keep doing this, working on this totally insane Datsville
project. But it's in its 13th years now and I can't let go of it. But I have to
admit that I've run out of steam, and out of creativity. That's why I was so
overjoyed from reading that Dilvish is taking the baton and that he already has
spent countless of hours on it.
Dilvish is fishing for LCad models to Datsville, and he asks for them in EB. He
makes no secret of his motives, and he has no hidden agenda to fish for traffic
or whatsoever. Why would he? What would he gain from that? I can't believe you
just assume the worst.
And btw, he made me visit EB thanks to this post:
http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=2303
> Your reaction seems a bit strong however, but it's
> understandable when your pet is shoot down.
I understand that LUGNET is dead it's just a matter of time before it closes
down, and I can but accept it. But don't you ever try to destroy Datsville too!
The locking of that thread was much more a diss of the Datsville project and our
motives than a EB vs LUGNET thing.
> The thread at EB is opened again now that the misunderstandings are cleared.
I saw that. Thanks.
> With best regards,
> /Tobbe
Likewise,
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad.dat.models, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> Do I hear the sound of breaking glass or what?
If no one is there to hear the glass brake, does it make a sound? ;)
Yeah I know that was a H U G E stone in the glass house, as we say. :D But I
tried to do it the nice way and hand over the curatorship to somebody for years
without success. I admit its done in a very childish way, but I thought any
Swedish AFOLS needed to see that the scene is very far from dead even if /loc/se
is. Swebrick.se has had 29 members online today, that's really impressive
compared to the "glory" days of /loc/se.
> I can't believe you just assume the worst.
I assumed nothing, I have nothing to do with EB (I am a member but I rarely
visit anymore). But like I said; I understand the reaction from Superkalle. The
post was not very clear and Superkalle probably see lot's of irrelevant posts
that need to go and I can guess that he don't have the time to investigate every
one in detail (EB has a very strict policy for posts, Internet ain't the same
anymore. There are still places where anything legal goes but they are few and
far between.).
> > Your reaction seems a bit strong however, but it's
> > understandable when your pet is shoot down.
>
> But don't you ever try to destroy Datsville too!
I'm not destroying anything (to my knowledge), I just meant that I can somewhat
see your reaction is strong when Datsville indirectly got a blow at EB.
> The locking of that thread was much more a diss of the Datsville project and our
> motives than a EB vs LUGNET thing.
I bet your reading too much into this. Also I had no idea there was an EB vs
LUGNET thing (apart from your blatant "Down with Eurobricks!"). IIRC EB existed
before LUGNET shattered? Shame it did, I liked the fact that the whole
LEGO-community was gathered in one place (except 1000 Steine and BZ Power). Now
it's all over the place...
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