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I have enourmous mail problem right now. Here the reply to your mail:
I'm glad that anything happens with the classic windows I love so much. But
right now, I can't be so much of help due to much work.
Here's the latest lds - I think... The headers out the output files still need
some postprocessing.
btw, have you seen the very old windows (those _without_ studs!) I posted to
lugnet.dat.parts a couple of weeks ago? Let's say we didn't think of them! ;)
Yes, I can live with separate glass pane parts, but I will not take any
responsibility for the running out of 3-digit part numbers... ;) If you like to
use only one variant of pins, inline the pins or rename them, that's no problem
with me. In other words: you are free to do whatever you think is best with
them. Unfortunately, I can only come with some small input right now.
I am pretty sure the solid stud variant only came with large ledge because the
reason they shortned the ledges was to allow the shutters to be completely
closed. And the shutters came in the early 70's, or at least long after the
solid studded windows era. I haven't seen any solid studs on an ABS made window.
/Tore
Three files "attached". Sorry, you'll have to copy n paste:
------------ pin.dat ------------
0 Bottom Pin for Classic Windows Smooth
0 Name: pin1.dat
0 Author: Tore Eriksson
0 Unofficial Primitive
0 BFC CERTIFY CW
1 16 0 0 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2-4edge.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2-4edge.dat
2 24 4 0 4 4 0 -6
2 24 -4 0 4 -4 0 -6
2 24 4 -6 4 4 -6 -6
2 24 -4 -6 4 -4 -6 -6
2 24 4 -6 -5 -4 -6 -5
2 24 4 0 -6 4 -6 -6
2 24 -4 0 -6 -4 -6 -6
1 16 0 0 4 -4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2-4disc.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2-4disc.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 4 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 4 2-4cyli.dat
4 16 -4 0 4 -4 0 -6 4 0 -6 4 0 4
4 16 4 -6 4 4 -6 -5 -4 -6 -5 -4 -6 4
4 16 4 0 4 4 0 -6 4 -6 -6 4 -6 4
4 16 -4 -6 4 -4 -6 -6 -4 0 -6 -4 0 4
0
------------ pin2.dat ------------
0 Bottom Pin for Classic Windows with Groove
0 Name: pin2.dat
0 BFC CW
0 Author: Tore Eriksson
0 Unofficial Primitive
2 24 1.531 -6 7.696 1.531 -4 7.696
2 24 -1.531 -6 7.696 -1.531 -4 7.696
1 16 0 0 4 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 4 2-4edge.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 4 1-8edge.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 -4 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 4 1-8edge.dat
1 16 0 -4 4 1.531 0 -3.696 0 1 0 3.696 0 1.531 1-16edge.dat
1 16 0 -4 4 -1.531 0 3.696 0 1 0 3.696 0 1.531 1-16edge.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 -2.828 0 2.828 0 1 0 2.828 0 2.828 1-16edge.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 2.828 0 -2.828 0 1 0 2.828 0 2.828 1-16edge.dat
2 24 4 0 4 4 0 -6
2 24 -4 0 4 -4 0 -6
2 24 4 -6 4 4 -6 -6
2 24 -4 -6 4 -4 -6 -6
2 24 4 -6 -5 1.531 -6 -5
2 24 1.531 -4 -6 -1.531 -4 -6
2 24 -1.531 -6 -5 -4 -6 -5
2 24 4 0 -6 4 -6 -6
2 24 -4 0 -6 -4 -6 -6
1 16 0 0 4 -4 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 4 2-4disc.dat
1 16 0 -4 4 1.531 0 -3.696 0 1 0 3.696 0 1.531 1-8disc.dat
1 16 0 -4 4 4 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 4 2-4cyli.dat
1 16 0 -4 4 -2.828 0 2.828 0 -2 0 2.828 0 2.828 1-16cyli.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 2.828 0 -2.828 0 2 0 2.828 0 2.828 1-16cyli.dat
1 16 0 -4 4 -4 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 4 1-8cyli.dat
1 16 0 -6 4 4 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 4 1-8cyli.dat
4 16 -4 0 4 -4 0 -6 4 0 -6 4 0 4
2 24 1.531 -6 -6 1.531 -6 7.696
4 16 4 -6 4 4 -6 -5 1.531 -6 -5 1.531 -6 7.696
2 24 -1.531 -6 -6 -1.531 -6 7.696
4 16 -4 -6 -5 -4 -6 4 -1.531 -6 7.696 -1.531 -6 -5
4 16 0 -4 -6 0 -4 4 1.531 -4 7.696 1.531 -4 -6
4 16 0 -4 4 0 -4 -6 -1.531 -4 -6 -1.531 -4 7.696
2 24 1.531 -4 -6 1.531 -4 7.696
2 24 -1.531 -4 -6 -1.531 -6 -6
4 16 -1.531 -4 -6 -1.531 -6 -6 -1.531 -6 7.696 -1.531 -4 7.696
2 24 -1.531 -4 -6 -1.531 -4 7.696
2 24 1.531 -4 -6 1.531 -6 -6
4 16 1.531 -6 -6 1.531 -4 -6 1.531 -4 7.696 1.531 -6 7.696
4 16 4 0 4 4 0 -6 4 -6 -6 4 -6 4
4 16 -4 -6 4 -4 -6 -6 -4 0 -6 -4 0 4
0
4 16 1.531 -6 7.696 2.828 -6 6.828 3.696 -6 5.531 4 -6 4
4 16 -4 -6 4 -3.696 -6 5.531 -2.828 -6 6.828 -1.531 -6 7.696
0
------------ win.lds ------------
w=3
h=2
g=1
' g=1: with glass
' g=0: without glass
o=1
' o=0: no holes on top
' o=1: holes on top
z=-12.5
'z=-10
' z=-12.5: long ledge (older)
' z=-10: ledge cut off (to fit shutters; newer)
a=1
' a=0: thin walls (newer)
' a=1: thick walls (older)
t=0
' t=0: solid pins (older)
' t=1: slotted pins (newer)
if h>1 then g=1
if w<2 then o=0
if g=1 then
? "0 Window 1 x " w " x " h
else
? "0 Window Classic 1 x " w " x " h " without Glass"
end if
' Correct the spaces in .dat file if needed
0 Name: win.dat
' Rename .dat file!
if o=1 then
0 with Holes
else
0 without Holes
end if
0 Author: Tore Eriksson
0 Unofficial Part
x=w*10
y=h*24
z99=-7
for i=4-x to x step 20
2 24 i y -6 i+12 y -6
next i
if w<2 then t=-1
if t=0 then
for i=20-x to x-20 step 20
1 16 i y 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 pin1.dat
next i
end if
if t=1 then
for i=20-x to x-20 step 20
1 16 i y 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 pin2.dat
next i
end if
p1 x y z
p2 x y-1.25 z
p3 x y-6 z99
p4 x 0 z99
p5 x 0 10
p6 x y 10
p8 p4
if h>1 then
p4 x 2 z99
p7 x 2 -10
p8 x 0 -10
end if
if a=1 then
' plain version (old)
p11 x-4 y -6
p12 x11 y-6 -6
p13 x11 y-6 -5
p14 x11 4 -5
p14 x11 3 -5
p15 x11 4 10
p15 x11 3 10
p16 x11 y 10
' /plain version (old)
end if
if a=0 then
p11 x-4 y -6
p12 x11 y-6 -6
p13 x11 y-6 -5
p14 x-3 y-6 -5
p15 x14 3 -5
p16 x14 3 10
p17 x14 y-6 10
p18 x11 y-6 10
p19 x11 y 10
end if
' inner frame
p21 x-5 y-9 -5
p22 x-5 5 -5
if h>1 then y22=7
p31 x21+2 y21+2 -10
p32 x22+2 y22-2 -10
p33 x31 y31 z99
p34 x32 y32 z33
p41 x21 y21 -10
p42 x22 y22 -10
'
'
'
if z<>-10 then y2=y1
if z=-10 then 2 24 p1 p2
for i=1 to 46
p(i+50) 0-x(i) y(i) z(i)
next i
'
mirror x
line
p2
p3
p4
line end
if h>1 then
line
p4
p7
p8
line end
end if
'
line
p8
p5
p6
p1
line end
if a=1 then
' plain version (old)
line
p16
p11
p12
p13
p14
p15
p16
p6
line end
' /plain version (old)
' /not plain version (old)
else
line
p19
p11
p12
p13
p14
p17
p18
p19
p6
line end
line
p14
p15
p16
p17
line end
2 24 p13 p18
'
' /not plain version (old)
end if
mirror off
'ACROSS
2 24 p1 p51
2 24 p3 p53
2 24 p4 p54
2 24 p5 p55
if h>1 then
2 24 p7 p57
2 24 p8 p58
end if
if a=1 then
' plain version (old)
2 24 p14 p64
' /plain version (old)
else
2 24 p16 p66
' /not plain version (old)
end if
2 24 p12 p62
2 24 p13 p63
2 24 p15 p65
'
if z=-10 then
2 24 p2 p52
4 16 p1 p2 p52 p51
4 16 p1 p6 p3 p2
4 16 p51 p52 p53 p56
else
3 16 p1 p6 p3
3 16 p51 p53 p56
end if
'
'POS
4 16 p3 p6 p5 p4
if h>1 then
4 16 p4 p5 p8 p7
end if
if a=1 then
' plain version (old)
4 16 p11 p12 p13 p16
4 16 p13 p14 p15 p16
4 16 p1 p11 p16 p6
4 16 p5 p6 p16 p15
' /plain version (old)
else
4 16 p11 p12 p18 p19
4 16 p13 p14 p17 p18
4 16 p14 p15 p16 p17
4 16 p1 p11 p19 p6
4 16 p6 p19 p18 p17
4 16 p6 p17 p16 p5
end if
'NEG
4 16 p53 p54 p55 p56
'
if h>1 then
4 16 p54 p57 p58 p55
end if
if a=1 then
' plain version (old)
4 16 p51 p56 p66 p61
4 16 p55 p65 p66 p56
4 16 p61 p66 p63 p62
4 16 p63 p66 p65 p64
' /plain version (old)
else
4 16 p61 p69 p68 p62
4 16 p63 p68 p67 p64
4 16 p64 p67 p66 p65
4 16 p51 p56 p69 p61
4 16 p56 p67 p68 p69
4 16 p56 p55 p66 p67
end if
'ACROSS
4 16 p2 p3 p53 p52
4 16 p1 p51 p61 p11
4 16 p12 p62 p63 p13
4 16 p11 p61 p62 p12
if h>1 then
4 16 p4 p7 p57 p54
4 16 p7 p8 p58 p57
end if
'if a=1 then
'' plain version (old)
'4 14 p14 p64 p65 p15
'4 16 p5 p15 p65 p55
'' /plain version (old)
'else
'4 13 p15 p65 p66 p16
'4 16 p5 p16 p66 p55
'end if
'
0 inner frame
1 16 0 (y21+y22)/2 -10 x21 0 0 0 0 (y21-y22)/2 0 5 0 box4.dat
if a=0 then
p13 p14
p14 p15
p63 p64
p64 p65
end if
4 16 p13 p21 p22 p14
4 16 p63 p64 p72 p71
4 16 p13 p63 p71 p21
4 16 p14 p22 p72 p64
'2 24 0 14 0 p15
0 outer frame
1 16 0 (y31+y32)/2 -10 0-x31 0 0 0 0 (y31-y32)/2 0 3 0 box4.dat
0 front frame
4 16 p31 p32 p42 p41
4 16 p81 p91 p92 p82
4 16 p31 p41 p91 p81
4 16 p32 p82 p92 p42
4 16 p3 p4 p34 p33
4 16 p53 p83 p84 p54
4 16 p3 p33 p83 p53
4 16 p4 p54 p84 p34
'end
for i=10-x to x-10 step 20
stud2.dat i 0 0
next i
if g=1 then
0 glass
'1 47 0 ((y-7)+y32)/2 -4 x13 0 0 0 0 ((y-7)-y32)/2 0 -1 0 box.dat
1 47 0 ((y-7)+y14)/2 -4 x13 0 0 0 0 ((y-7)-y14)/2 0 -1 0 box.dat
'1 16 0 (y31+y32)/2 -10 0-x31 0 0 0 0 (y31-y32)/2 0 3 0 box4.dat
end if
p4 p8
p54 p58
'
'
if a=0 then
p15 p16
p65 p66
end if
4 16 p5 p15 p65 p55
if w>2 then o=o*2
if o=0 then
4 16 p4 p5 p55 p54
4 16 p14 p64 p65 p15
end if
if o=1 then
1 16 0 0 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4edge.dat
1 16 0 0 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4ndis.dat
1 16 0 y14 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4edge.dat
1 16 0 y14 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4ndis.dat
1 16 0 y14 -4 1 0 0 0 0-y14 0 0 0 1 4-4cyli.dat
4 16 p4 p5 1 0 -3 1 0 -5
4 16 p54 -1 0 -5 -1 0 -3 p55
4 16 p4 1 0 -5 -1 0 -5 p54
4 16 p5 p55 -1 0 -3 1 0 -3
4 16 p14 1 y14 -5 1 y14 -3 p15
4 16 p64 p65 -1 y14 -3 -1 y14 -5
4 16 p15 1 y14 -3 -1 y14 -3 p65
end if
if o=2 then
1 16 x-20 0 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4edge.dat
1 16 x-20 0 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4ndis.dat
1 16 x-20 y14 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4edge.dat
1 16 x-20 y14 -4 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4ndis.dat
1 16 x-20 y14 -4 1 0 0 0 0-y14 0 0 0 1 4-4cyli.dat
1 16 20-x 0 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4edge.dat
1 16 20-x 0 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4ndis.dat
1 16 20-x y14 -4 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4edge.dat
1 16 20-x y14 -4 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 4-4ndis.dat
1 16 20-x y14 -4 1 0 0 0 0-y14 0 0 0 1 4-4cyli.dat
4 16 p4 p5 x-19 0 -3 x-19 0 -5
4 16 p54 19-x 0 -5 19-x 0 -3 p55
4 16 p4 x-19 0 -5 19-x 0 -5 p54
4 16 p5 p55 19-x 0 -3 x-19 0 -3
4 16 21-x 0 -3 21-x 0 -5 x-21 0 -5 x-21 0 -3
4 16 p14 x-19 y14 -5 x-19 y14 -3 p15
4 16 p64 p65 19-x y14 -3 19-x y14 -5
4 16 p15 x-19 y14 -3 19-x y14 -3 p65
4 16 21-x y14 -3 x-21 y14 -3 x-21 y14 -5 21-x y14 -5
end if
g=g*o
? " 0 " g
if g=1 then
1 47 0 y14 -4 1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 4-8sphe.dat
end if
if g=2 then
1 47 20-x y14 -4 1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 4-8sphe.dat
1 47 x-20 y14 -4 1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 4-8sphe.dat
end if
'2 4 0 y 20 p66
0
end
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In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> I have enourmous mail problem right now. Here the reply to your mail:
>
> I'm glad that anything happens with the classic windows I love so much. But
> right now, I can't be so much of help due to much work.
>
> Here's the latest lds - I think... The headers out the output files still need
> some postprocessing.
OK - I'll take a look at this and post a follow-up.
>
> btw, have you seen the very old windows (those _without_ studs!) I posted to
> lugnet.dat.parts a couple of weeks ago? Let's say we didn't think of them! ;)
Yes - I saw you posted those to lugnet. Are they in a state to post on the Parts
Tracker? Although I suspect we will struggle to get these certified through the
normal means, as I didn't see much confirmation of these from the rest of the
lugnet.cad community.
> Yes, I can live with separate glass pane parts, but I will not take any
> responsibility for the running out of 3-digit part numbers... ;) If you like to
> use only one variant of pins, inline the pins or rename them, that's no problem
> with me. In other words: you are free to do whatever you think is best with
> them. Unfortunately, I can only come with some small input right now.
Thanks. Once I have processed these, I _would_ appreciate your input to confirm
which variants exist, though.
> I am pretty sure the solid stud variant only came with large ledge because the
> reason they shortned the ledges was to allow the shutters to be completely
> closed. And the shutters came in the early 70's, or at least long after the
> solid studded windows era. I haven't seen any solid studs on an ABS made window.
>
>
> /Tore
<snipped lds code>
Chris
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:
>
> > I am pretty sure the solid stud variant only came with large ledge because
> > the reason they shortned the ledges was to allow the shutters to be
> > completely closed. And the shutters came in the early 70's, or at least
> > long after the solid studded windows era. I haven't seen any solid studs on
> > an ABS made window.
As I dont have any solid-stud classic windows, can anyone please clarify whether
these had the "top holes" between the outer pair of studs, to hold the glass in
place.
> >
> > /Tore
>
> <snipped lds code>
>
> Chris
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> >
> > > I am pretty sure the solid stud variant only came with large ledge because
> > > the reason they shortned the ledges was to allow the shutters to be
> > > completely closed. And the shutters came in the early 70's, or at least
> > > long after the solid studded windows era. I haven't seen any solid studs on
> > > an ABS made window.
>
>
> As I dont have any solid-stud classic windows, can anyone please clarify whether
> these had the "top holes" between the outer pair of studs, to hold the glass in
> place.
>
> > >
> > > /Tore
> >
> > <snipped lds code>
> >
> > Chris
I have generated the DAT files for all the single pane classic windows up to
1x4x2. Now I could really do with some assistance to clarify which versions
really exist.
I have generated a quick reference page at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
Please reply to this message with the proposed part number (eg. 27a.dat) if you
can confirm the existence any of the versions marked "unknown".
Chris
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> I have generated the DAT files for all the single pane classic windows up • to
> 1x4x2. Now I could really do with some assistance to clarify which • versions
> really exist.
>
> I have generated a quick reference page at
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
>
> Please reply to this message with the proposed part number (eg. 27a.dat) • if you
> can confirm the existence any of the versions marked "unknown".
>
> Chris
I was looking on the quick reference page and there are three windows type
missing from that list. Maybe you have them on another list? I have 4 pieces
of 453cc01 (red), and one piece of 453bc01 (red), 2 pieces of 31cc01 (red),
3 pieces of 7026cc01 (2 red, 1 yellow).
But I also have 1 piece of 1x6x3 yellow window with hollow studs, and there
are almost no ledge here, or it is square. And in addition to this I have 2
pieces of 1x6x2 red windows with hollow studs (one with long ledge the other
with short ledge), both with holow studs. Another thing with those two
windows is that there are three window "fields", the field in the middle is
3 like a 3 studs wide, and those to on the side is like 1,5 sud wide fields.
I do not have a digital camera at this time so I can not show you how they
look like at this time.
And the last 4 classic windows pieces I have (actually they are doors) is
1x2x3 Windows with two fields divided horisontaly. Lowest field is 1unit
high and top is 2 units high. They do not have a sharp ledge and look more
like the 1x6x3 window. I have 1 white, 2 yellow and 1 red pieces.
Are there any partnumber on thise last three types of windows?
Can I get the ldraw .dat file for any of these classic windows?
Regards
Øyvind Steinnes
Norway
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In lugnet.cad, Øyvind Steinnes wrote:
> > I have generated the DAT files for all the single pane classic windows up to
> > 1x4x2. Now I could really do with some assistance to clarify which versions
> > really exist.
> >
> > I have generated a quick reference page at
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
> >
> > Please reply to this message with the proposed part number (eg. 27a.dat) if you
> > can confirm the existence any of the versions marked "unknown".
> >
> > Chris
Thanks for your response.
> I was looking on the quick reference page and there are three windows type
> missing from that list. Maybe you have them on another list? I have 4 pieces
> of 453cc01 (red), and one piece of 453bc01 (red), 2 pieces of 31cc01 (red),
> 3 pieces of 7026cc01 (2 red, 1 yellow).
Thanks, these are already confirmed from my collection. So far the reference
page contains only those sizes up to 1x4x2 - the larger ones already exist in
the official library (see below) and although in need of some work could not be
generated by Tore's LDS script. Watch this space.
> But I also have 1 piece of 1x6x3 yellow window with hollow studs, and there
> are almost no ledge here, or it is square.
Yes this is 604.dat http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=604. In my
collection it exists both with and without the small holes, but always with
hollow studs and no ledge.
> And in addition to this I have 2
> pieces of 1x6x2 red windows with hollow studs (one with long ledge the other
> with short ledge), both with holow studs. Another thing with those two
> windows is that there are three window "fields", the field in the middle is
> 3 like a 3 studs wide, and those to on the side is like 1,5 sud wide fields.
> I do not have a digital camera at this time so I can not show you how they
> look like at this time.
Yes, this is http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=645. This needs some
work to bring the ledge design in line with what I have already done for the
smaller windows.
> And the last 4 classic windows pieces I have (actually they are doors) is
> 1x2x3 Windows with two fields divided horisontaly. Lowest field is 1unit
> high and top is 2 units high. They do not have a sharp ledge and look more
> like the 1x6x3 window. I have 1 white, 2 yellow and 1 red pieces.
Yes, this is http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=32 or
http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=33. I'm not aware of any varients,
except that all my (6) copies of part 32 have the small hole and all my (2)
copies of part 33 do not have that hole.
And there is one more, not already mentioned - 1x6x2 with shutters
http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=646 whichalso exists in Long Ledge
and Short Ledge versions.
> Are there any partnumber on thise last three types of windows?
>
> Can I get the ldraw .dat file for any of these classic windows?
Yes in the official library, or individually through the above links.
>
>
> Regards
> Øyvind Steinnes
> Norway
Chris Dee
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(Let's keep this thread for inventories and discussion on solid studded classic
doors and windows)
Inventory from my collection:
27a solid stud, long ledge, hole, no glass(1): confirmed!
7026a solid studs, long ledge, hole, no glass(1): confirmed!
7026ac01 solid studs, long ledge, hole, glass: confirmed!
31a solid studs, long ledge, holes, no glass(1): confirmed!
453ac01 solid studs, long ledge, holes, glass: confirmed!
645a solid studs, long ledge, holes, no glass(1): confirmed!
645ac01 solid studs, long ledge, holes, glass: confirmed!
646ac01 solid studs, long ledge, holes, glass: confirmed!
33a solid studs, hole, no glass(1): confirmed!
33ac01 solid studs, hole, glass: confirmed!
(1) glass lost or part launched without glass, no visible traces of glue
All above are made of the pre-ABS, paler plastic.
/Tore
(to be continued...)
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My theory is that Samsonite (and maybe some more non-Danish plants?) made the
without holes version of the classic windows.
Also, Samsonite launced their version of 29c, 29c, and 27c without glass.
Plesae correct me if O'm mistaken.
I have a bunch of 27c new in Samsonite box, so it is really cofirmed!
I have some 27cc01; also cofirmed!
I hope to be able to confirm more later, got to go now.
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> I have generated a quick reference page at
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
I have 3 variants of 646*.dat I think:
646ac01 solid stud, holes, long ledge, glass about 66 ldu wide
646bc01 hollow stud, holes, long ledge, glass about 66 ldu wide
646cc01 hollow stud, no holes, long ledge, glass 112 ldu wide
646a/b: Holes are at x=+/-20
(645a/b: Holes are at x=+/-40)
Small verical rectangle also at front of long ledge (646ac01/bc01). This is also
the case on 645ac01/bc01 (but not 1- through 4-wide windows).
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > I have generated a quick reference page at
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:>
> I have 3 variants of 646*.dat I think:
>
> 646ac01 solid stud, holes, long ledge, glass about 66 ldu wide
> 646bc01 hollow stud, holes, long ledge, glass about 66 ldu wide
> 646cc01 hollow stud, no holes, long ledge, glass 112 ldu wide
>
> 646a/b: Holes are at x=+/-20
> (645a/b: Holes are at x=+/-40)
>
> Small verical rectangle also at front of long ledge (646ac01/bc01). This is also
> the case on 645ac01/bc01 (but not 1- through 4-wide windows).
Tore,
The variants of the shutter window you describe have been discussed before:
http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=22254
The rest of that thread is also interesting in regards to classic windows.
Hope that helps,
Clark
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In lugnet.cad, Clark Stephens wrote:
> Tore,
> The variants of the shutter window you describe have been discussed before:
> http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=22254
>
> The rest of that thread is also interesting in regards to classic windows.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Clark
Oh dear, oh dear! Just as I thought I was getting to understand something,
everything turns out to be much more complicated.
It really saddens me to see that appearantly it wasn't just Samsonite that sold
windows without glasses. Pop went my illusion. OTOH, the good thing is that
Samsonite's status has been upgraded from "almost clone" to "near LEGO original"
in my eyes... :)
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad, Clark Stephens wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > > I have generated a quick reference page at
> > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
>
> In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:>
> > I have 3 variants of 646*.dat I think:
> >
> > 646ac01 solid stud, holes, long ledge, glass about 66 ldu wide
> > 646bc01 hollow stud, holes, long ledge, glass about 66 ldu wide
> > 646cc01 hollow stud, no holes, long ledge, glass 112 ldu wide
> >
> > 646a/b: Holes are at x=+/-20
> > (645a/b: Holes are at x=+/-40)
> >
> > Small verical rectangle also at front of long ledge (646ac01/bc01). This is also
> > the case on 645ac01/bc01 (but not 1- through 4-wide windows).
>
> Tore,
> The variants of the shutter window you describe have been discussed before:
> http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=22254
>
> The rest of that thread is also interesting in regards to classic windows.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Clark
Thanks - I had forgotten about Gary Istok's dissertations on the subject of
Classic Windows.
Regarding 646 (1x6x2 with Shutters)<QUOTE>
Here is what I have (with counts in parethesis):
Full Stud windows with sills (and 2 small holes on top):
#1 -- CA 1957 windows are "half pane" - (4)
Hollow Stud windows with sills (and 2 small holes on top):
#2 -- CA 1958-64 windows are "half pane" - (23)
#3 -- CA 1968-64 windows are "full pane" - (14)
#4 -- ABS 1964-71 windows are "half pane" - (55)
#5 -- ABS 1964-71 windows are "full pane" - (9)
Hollow Stud windows without sills (and without 2 small holes on top):
#6 -- ABS 1972-80 windows are "full pane" - (25)
</QUOTE>
We don't discriminate between CA and ABS, so #2=#4 and #3=#5. I also think the
that window pane size can be classed as non-functional, but that we should model
an actual combination, so I will make 646ac01 and 646bc01 with the narrow glass
and 646cc01 with the full-width glass.
So, in summary
#1 = 646ac01
#2,#3,#4,#5 = 646bc01
#6 = 646cc01
This thread also seems to confirm 39cc01 1x1x1 hollow studs, short ledge, glass,
and 33b / 33bc01 (thanks to Frank Filz).
Reference page updated, but I still need to generate DAT files and images for
the larger parts to represent the varients and improve / BFC those in the
official library.
Chris
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Clark Stephens wrote: • <SNIP>
> >
> > Tore,
> > The variants of the shutter window you describe have been discussed before:
> > http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=22254
> >
> > The rest of that thread is also interesting in regards to classic windows.
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> > Clark
>
> Thanks - I had forgotten about Gary Istok's dissertations on the subject of
> Classic Windows.
>
> Regarding 646 (1x6x2 with Shutters)<QUOTE>
> Here is what I have (with counts in parethesis):
>
> Full Stud windows with sills (and 2 small holes on top):
> #1 -- CA 1957 windows are "half pane" - (4)
>
> Hollow Stud windows with sills (and 2 small holes on top):
> #2 -- CA 1958-64 windows are "half pane" - (23)
> #3 -- CA 1968-64 windows are "full pane" - (14)
> #4 -- ABS 1964-71 windows are "half pane" - (55)
> #5 -- ABS 1964-71 windows are "full pane" - (9)
>
> Hollow Stud windows without sills (and without 2 small holes on top):
> #6 -- ABS 1972-80 windows are "full pane" - (25)
> </QUOTE>
> We don't discriminate between CA and ABS, so #2=#4 and #3=#5. I also think the
> that window pane size can be classed as non-functional, but that we should model
> an actual combination, so I will make 646ac01 and 646bc01 with the narrow glass
> and 646cc01 with the full-width glass.
>
> So, in summary
> #1 = 646ac01
> #2,#3,#4,#5 = 646bc01
> #6 = 646cc01
>
> This thread also seems to confirm 39cc01 1x1x1 hollow studs, short ledge, glass,
> and 33b / 33bc01 (thanks to Frank Filz).
>
> Reference page updated, but I still need to generate DAT files and images for
> the larger parts to represent the varients and improve / BFC those in the
> official library.
>
> Chris
The images for the proposed 646 (1x2x6 with Shutters) varients are now on the
reference page.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
Chris
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There's no way this door was made in the CA era.
Instead of "unknown", is there someway we could mark the "confirmed to never
have existed" state? Just looking for a better way to put it...
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
>
> Hmm, this doesn't look good. I have 6 red, 2 white, and 1 yellow door w open
> stud, no hole. All of them right. It seems too many to be coincidential...
>
>
> /Tore
I'm not sure what you are saying here. 32.dat is the left (hinged) door with the
knob on the right.
Do you mean you have 9 copies of
http://guide.lugnet.com/partsref/search.cgi?q=32 all with no hole?
If true, it is certainly strange that all of my type 32 parts do have a hole and
all of my 33 parts have no hole. I'll check again tonight, but pretty sure I
recorded my findings correctly.
The discussion is probably acamdemic, since the presence or absence of the small
hole alone is non-functional, and seems to be correlated with the long ledge (on
parts that have a ledge). So for 32 and 33 I propose only to release two
versions :
..a : Solid stud, hole
..b : Hollow stud, hole (since we know this exists on 32 and 33) OR
..c : Hollow stud, no hole (if we can prove 32 without hole)
Does this make sense?
Chris
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
> >
> > Hmm, this doesn't look good. I have 6 red, 2 white, and 1 yellow door w open
> > stud, no hole. All of them right. It seems too many to be coincidential...
> >
> >
> > /Tore
>
> I'm not sure what you are saying here. 32.dat is the left (hinged) door with the
> knob on the right.
With too little sleep, I'm not sure what I'm saying either... :)
Let me see...
I have 9 copies of 33cc01 and no copy of 32c[c01]
I have lots of 32bc01 and 33bc01, I won't even count them.
Then I have two or more copies of 33ac01 but no 32ac01
> The discussion is probably acamdemic, since the presence or absence of the small
> hole alone is non-functional, and seems to be correlated with the long ledge (on
> parts that have a ledge). So for 32 and 33 I propose only to release two
> versions :
> ..a : Solid stud, hole
> ..b : Hollow stud, hole (since we know this exists on 32 and 33) OR
> ..c : Hollow stud, no hole (if we can prove 32 without hole)
> Does this make sense?
Yes, I think so. And as I said in the subject line: 32c is not yet confirmed.
Sorry for being unclear.
/Tore
>
> Chris
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Clark Stephens wrote: <SNIP>
> > >
> > > Tore,
> > > The variants of the shutter window you describe have been discussed before:
> > > http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=22254
> > >
> > > The rest of that thread is also interesting in regards to classic windows.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps,
> > > Clark
> >
> > Thanks - I had forgotten about Gary Istok's dissertations on the subject of
> > Classic Windows.
> >
> > Regarding 646 (1x6x2 with Shutters)<QUOTE>
> > Here is what I have (with counts in parethesis):
> >
> > Full Stud windows with sills (and 2 small holes on top):
> > #1 -- CA 1957 windows are "half pane" - (4)
> >
> > Hollow Stud windows with sills (and 2 small holes on top):
> > #2 -- CA 1958-64 windows are "half pane" - (23)
> > #3 -- CA 1968-64 windows are "full pane" - (14)
> > #4 -- ABS 1964-71 windows are "half pane" - (55)
> > #5 -- ABS 1964-71 windows are "full pane" - (9)
> >
> > Hollow Stud windows without sills (and without 2 small holes on top):
> > #6 -- ABS 1972-80 windows are "full pane" - (25)
> > </QUOTE>
> > We don't discriminate between CA and ABS, so #2=#4 and #3=#5. I also think the
> > that window pane size can be classed as non-functional, but that we should model
> > an actual combination, so I will make 646ac01 and 646bc01 with the narrow glass
> > and 646cc01 with the full-width glass.
> >
> > So, in summary
> > #1 = 646ac01
> > #2,#3,#4,#5 = 646bc01
> > #6 = 646cc01
> >
> > This thread also seems to confirm 39cc01 1x1x1 hollow studs, short ledge, glass,
> > and 33b / 33bc01 (thanks to Frank Filz).
> >
> > Reference page updated, but I still need to generate DAT files and images for
> > the larger parts to represent the varients and improve / BFC those in the
> > official library.
> >
> > Chris
>
> The images for the proposed 646 (1x2x6 with Shutters) varients are now on the
> reference page.
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chris.w.dee/LDrawClassicWindows/
>
> Chris
Following the naming scheme discussed here, the full set of LDraw files for the
classic windows and their glass from 1x1x1 up to 1x6x2 has now been posted to
the Parts Tracker. Please see the review summary
<http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptreviewsummary.cgi?f=classicwindows>
which should help to manage the review process. I'd like these to be issued as a
batch.
Chris
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
>
> Following the naming scheme discussed here, the full set of LDraw files for the
> classic windows and their glass from 1x1x1 up to 1x6x2 has now been posted to
> the Parts Tracker. Please see the review summary
> <http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptreviewsummary.cgi?f=classicwindows>
> which should help to manage the review process. I'd like these to be issued as a
> batch.
>
> Chris
Here's my latest "dissertation" on the classic windows..... :-)
http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=52414
Gary Istok
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
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Following the naming scheme discussed here, the full set of LDraw files for
the classic windows and their glass from 1x1x1 up to 1x6x2 has now been posted
to the Parts Tracker. Please see the review summary
http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptreviewsummary.cgi?f=classicwindows
which should help to manage the review process. I’d like these to be issued as
a batch.
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Chris,
Thanks for continuing work on this ‘project’. Actually, I appreciate everyone
involved in this effort.
You mentioned discussion of a naming scheme. I don’t see (in this thread) where
that was discussed. If you could point me in the right direction to (re)read
that discussion, I’d appreciate it.
In the meantime, I’d like to propose a change to the names to better (IMO)
balance readability and LDraw’s limits and standards versus the need for
accuracy and precision. See the table below.
I will say right away that I don’t know that my proposed names are optimal -- my
choices were driven (somewhat) by ‘doing the least amount of damage’. I do feel
the newer names are a step in the right direction. Just maybe not the best
step.
I made the following alterations:
- Expanded ‘(Compl.)’ to ‘(Complete)’.
- Moved ‘Classic’ to follow the dimensions, instead of preceding them.
- Changed ‘Ledge’ to ‘Sill’. ‘Sill’ seems to be an accurate label for the feature in question. If ‘ledge’ is actually a better term (I’m not an expert on window nomenclature), then we should stick with ‘ledge’.
- Replaced ‘S/Studs and L/Ledge’ with ‘Solid Studs’, as the solid stud is the identifying feature of these variations.
- Replaced ‘H/Studs and S/Ledge’ with ‘Short Sill’, as the short sill is the identifying feature of these variations.
- Replaced ‘H/Studs and L/Ledge’ with ‘Long Sill’. This abbreviation is definitely arguable, because unique identification of these variations requires mention of both stud type and sill width.
- Changed ‘with Shutters’ to ‘Classic Shuttered with...’.
Part
| | Current Name
| | Len
| | New Proposal
| | Len
|
| | 39BC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 1 x 1 with H/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 62
| | Window 1 x 1 x 1 Classic with Long Sill (Complete)
| | 53
|
| | 39CC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 1 x 1 with H/Studs and S/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 1 x 1 Classic with Short Sill (Complete)
| | 54
|
| | 39C
| | Window Classic 1 x 1 x 1 with Hollow Studs and Short Ledge
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 1 x 1 Classic with Short Sill
| | 60
|
| | 39AC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 1 x 1 with S/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 1 x 1 Classic with Solid Studs (Complete)
| | 55
|
| | 29BC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 1 x 2 with H/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 1 x 2 Classic with Long Sill (Complete)
| | 53
|
| | 29CC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 1 x 2 with H/Studs and S/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 1 x 2 Classic with Short Sill (Complete)
| | 54
|
| | 29C
| | Window Classic 1 x 1 x 2 with Hollow Studs and Short Ledge
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 1 x 2 Classic with Short Sill
| | 60
|
| | 29AC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 1 x 2 with S/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 1 x 2 Classic with Solid Studs (Complete)
| | 55
|
| | 27BC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 2 x 1 with H/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 2 x 1 Classic with Long Sill (Complete)
| | 53
|
| | 27CC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 2 x 1 with H/Studs and S/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 2 x 1 Classic with Short Sill (Complete)
| | 54
|
| | 27C
| | Window Classic 1 x 2 x 1 with Hollow Studs and Short Ledge
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 2 x 1 Classic with Short Sill
| | 60
|
| | 27AC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 2 x 1 with S/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 2 x 1 Classic with Solid Studs (Complete)
| | 55
|
| | 13BC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 2 x 2 with H/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 2 x 2 Classic with Long Sill (Complete)
| | 53
|
| | 13CC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 2 x 2 with H/Studs and S/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 2 x 2 Classic with Short Sill (Complete)
| | 54
|
| | 13AC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 2 x 2 with S/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 2 x 2 Classic with Solid Studs (Complete)
| | 55
|
| | 31BC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 3 x 2 with H/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 3 x 2 Classic with Long Sill (Complete)
| | 53
|
| | 31CC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 3 x 2 with H/Studs and S/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 3 x 2 Classic with Short Sill (Complete)
| | 54
|
| | 31AC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 3 x 2 with S/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 3 x 2 Classic with Solid Studs (Complete)
| | 55
|
| | 453BC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 4 x 2 with H/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 4 x 2 Classic with Long Sill (Complete)
| | 53
|
| | 453CC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 4 x 2 with H/Studs and S/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 4 x 2 Classic with Short Sill (Complete)
| | 54
|
| | 453AC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 4 x 2 with S/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 4 x 2 Classic with Solid Studs (Complete)
| | 55
|
| | 645BC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 6 x 2 with H/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 Classic with Long Sill (Complete)
| | 53
|
| | 645CC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 6 x 2 with H/Studs and S/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 Classic with Short Sill (Complete)
| | 54
|
| | 645AC01
| | Window Classic 1 x 6 x 2 with S/Studs and L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 61
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 Classic with Solid Studs (Complete)
| | 55
|
| | 646BC01
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters, H/Studs, L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 60
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 Classic Shuttered with Long Sill (Complete)
| | 63
|
| | 646CC01
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters, H/Studs, S/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 60
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 Classic Shuttered with Short Sill (Complete)
| | 64
|
| | 646AC01
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters, Solid Studs, L/Ledge (Compl.)
| | 64
| | Window 1 x 6 x 2 Classic Shuttered w/ Solid Studs (Complete)
| | 63
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In lugnet.cad, Steve Bliss wrote:
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
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Following the naming scheme discussed here, the full set of LDraw files for
the classic windows and their glass from 1x1x1 up to 1x6x2 has now been
posted to the Parts Tracker. Please see the review summary
http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptreviewsummary.cgi?f=classicwindows
which should help to manage the review process. I’d like these to be issued
as a batch.
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Chris,
Thanks for continuing work on this ‘project’. Actually, I appreciate
everyone involved in this effort.
You mentioned discussion of a naming scheme. I don’t see (in this thread)
where that was discussed. If you could point me in the right direction to
(re)read that discussion, I’d appreciate it.
In the meantime, I’d like to propose a change to the names to better (IMO)
balance readability and LDraw’s limits and standards versus the need for
accuracy and precision. See the table below.
I will say right away that I don’t know that my proposed names are optimal --
my choices were driven (somewhat) by ‘doing the least amount of damage’. I
do feel the newer names are a step in the right direction. Just maybe not
the best step.
I made the following alterations:
- Expanded ‘(Compl.)’ to ‘(Complete)’.
- Moved ‘Classic’ to follow the dimensions, instead of preceding them.
- Changed ‘Ledge’ to ‘Sill’. ‘Sill’ seems to be an accurate label for the feature in question. If ‘ledge’ is actually a better term (I’m not an expert on window nomenclature), then we should stick with ‘ledge’.
- Replaced ‘S/Studs and L/Ledge’ with ‘Solid Studs’, as the solid stud is the identifying feature of these variations.
- Replaced ‘H/Studs and S/Ledge’ with ‘Short Sill’, as the short sill is the identifying feature of these variations.
- Replaced ‘H/Studs and L/Ledge’ with ‘Long Sill’. This abbreviation is definitely arguable, because unique identification of these variations requires mention of both stud type and sill width.
- Changed ‘with Shutters’ to ‘Classic Shuttered with...’.
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(Details snipped)
By naming scheme, I meant file-naming scheme. I didn’t detect that the
descriptions were too long unitl I tried to post them to the Parts Tracker, and
wasn’t that happy with how I ended up abbreviating them. At a first glance you
suggestions look OK. I’ll take another look and fix them.
Thanks, Chris
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In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> >
> > > I am pretty sure the solid stud variant only came with large ledge because
> > > the reason they shortned the ledges was to allow the shutters to be
> > > completely closed. And the shutters came in the early 70's, or at least
> > > long after the solid studded windows era. I haven't seen any solid studs on
> > > an ABS made window.
>
>
> As I dont have any solid-stud classic windows, can anyone please clarify whether
> these had the "top holes" between the outer pair of studs, to hold the glass in
> place.
>
> > >
> > > /Tore
> >
> > <snipped lds code>
> >
> > Chris
Sorry to take over 2 years to answer this, but I never visit lugnet.cad.....
Only the recent posts to this thread made me view the entire thread.
All solid stud windows are otherwise identical to the "long ledge" variety, and
that includes the holes in top.
However, the solid stud doors (right and left handle) have a door knob or handle
that is larger than those of all later classic doors.
In the future, if you crosspost any classic window/door questions to
Lugnet.general, your response will be much more timely! :-)
Gary Istok
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In lugnet.cad, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > > In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am pretty sure the solid stud variant only came with large ledge because
> > > > the reason they shortned the ledges was to allow the shutters to be
> > > > completely closed. And the shutters came in the early 70's, or at least
> > > > long after the solid studded windows era. I haven't seen any solid studs on
> > > > an ABS made window.
> >
> >
> > As I dont have any solid-stud classic windows, can anyone please clarify whether
> > these had the "top holes" between the outer pair of studs, to hold the glass in
> > place.
> >
> > > >
> > > > /Tore
> > >
> > > <snipped lds code>
> > >
> > > Chris
>
> Sorry to take over 2 years to answer this, but I never visit lugnet.cad.....
> Only the recent posts to this thread made me view the entire thread.
>
> All solid stud windows are otherwise identical to the "long ledge" variety, and
> that includes the holes in top.
>
> However, the solid stud doors (right and left handle) have a door knob or handle
> that is larger than those of all later classic doors.
>
> In the future, if you crosspost any classic window/door questions to
> Lugnet.general, your response will be much more timely! :-)
>
> Gary Istok
OK, I was just studying the differences between the solid stud classic
windows/doors, and the hollow stud variety. And I found another difference....
If you take hollow stud classic windows/doors, and lay them face down, you will
see that the "side walls" of the 1x3x2 and larger windows have thicker sidewalls
than the 1x1x1, 1x2x1, 1x1x2, 1x2x2 windows and the 1x2x3 doors. The smaller
windows and the doors have thinner sidewalls, except at the base where they get
thicker (so as to attach properly to baseplates/bricks). With the full stud
windows/doors, ALL sizes of windows (and the doors) have the thick sidewalls.
Gary Istok
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In lugnet.cad, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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> OK, I was just studying the differences between the solid stud classic
> windows/doors, and the hollow stud variety. And I found another difference....
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> If you take hollow stud classic windows/doors, and lay them face down, you will
> see that the "side walls" of the 1x3x2 and larger windows have thicker sidewalls
> than the 1x1x1, 1x2x1, 1x1x2, 1x2x2 windows and the 1x2x3 doors. The smaller
> windows and the doors have thinner sidewalls, except at the base where they get
> thicker (so as to attach properly to baseplates/bricks). With the full stud
> windows/doors, ALL sizes of windows (and the doors) have the thick sidewalls.
>
> Gary Istok
Thanks, Gary,
That has also been pointed out earlier, but since it doesn't affect the function
or "behaviour" af the parts, those differences will be neglected in LDraw.
/Tore
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In lugnet.cad, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Chris Dee wrote:
> > > In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am pretty sure the solid stud variant only came with large ledge because
> > > > the reason they shortned the ledges was to allow the shutters to be
> > > > completely closed. And the shutters came in the early 70's, or at least
> > > > long after the solid studded windows era. I haven't seen any solid studs on
> > > > an ABS made window.
> >
> >
> > As I dont have any solid-stud classic windows, can anyone please clarify whether
> > these had the "top holes" between the outer pair of studs, to hold the glass in
> > place.
> >
> > > >
> > > > /Tore
> > >
> > > <snipped lds code>
> > >
> > > Chris
>
> Sorry to take over 2 years to answer this, but I never visit lugnet.cad.....
> Only the recent posts to this thread made me view the entire thread.
>
> All solid stud windows are otherwise identical to the "long ledge" variety, > and that includes the holes in top.
Thanks - that's what we concluded - and how they have been modelled.
> However, the solid stud doors (right and left handle) have a door knob or
> handle that is larger than those of all later classic doors.
Hmm - I'll try and take that it into account.
> In the future, if you crosspost any classic window/door questions to
> Lugnet.general, your response will be much more timely! :-)
Point taken.
> Gary Istok
Thanks, Chris
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By naming scheme, I meant file-naming scheme. I didn’t detect that the
descriptions were too long unitl I tried to post them to the Parts Tracker,
and wasn’t that happy with how I ended up abbreviating them. At a first
glance you suggestions look OK. I’ll take another look and fix them.
Thanks, Chris
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.. and now they’re fixed.
Chris
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