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| | | Hi All, I just hung up with Ben Fleskes and he OK'ed the news article that is now on www.ILTCO.org! There is some more information about these drivers and several pictures too! Come have a look! SteveB ILTCO Pres (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains) !!
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| | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | How closely do the colors match with LEGO colors? (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Steven Barile
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| | | | | | | They're not made yet. It's likely that they will be molded from pre-existing colors pallets. I don't know the pallet palette (that was fun to say), maybe Ben can answer that when he gets on line (which might be a couple days, he told me). SteveB (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Mike Walsh
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| | | | | | | "Jonathan Wilson" <jonwil@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message news:Ho0K74.CrC@lugnet.com... (...) Ben's Driver Wheels are now posted as a ILTCO Sneak Peek! (URL) Mike Walsh - mike_walsh at mindspring.com (URL) - North Carolina LEGO Train Club (URL) - (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Can't speak for the other colors but I think the black matches VERY closely. I like the feel of the plastic too, and there's very little flash too. Sign of good tooling if you ask me! (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Manfred Moolhuysen
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| | | | | In lugnet.trains, Steven Barile wrote: Please do not regard this as a complaint, I'm just curious about some principal design choices: Why has the idea of sizing an opening allowing the user to insert a 1x1 round plate covering the axle hole, been (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) My guesses are that this tooling has been under development for some time, certainly well before Ben's analysis was posted... so these ideas were not known at the time of development. Redoing tooling at this point will add a lot of cost, I (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | (...) Adding the counterweight means taking out more material of the molds, so that should be possible although costly indeed... the recessed area for the 1*1 plate unfortunately is the opposite :( Hope to see some of these wheels "live" soon so to (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Mark Riley
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| | | | | | (...) The appearance of a counterweight could easily be added by applying a suitably colored decal (or something like electrical tape) to the spokes. As mentioned in this (URL) message>, you can use a marker to touch up the edges if your decal is (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | (...) Most of it looks great, however like Manfred mentions, why no opening for the 1*1 round plate, and also it seems as if the hole for a driver rod is actually recessed instead of standing out, which makes it a lot harder to make a smooth running (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | (...) I think it's enough so that, with the addition of the width of half the ridge around a pin, it'll stand clear. Fitting a round plate on the hub, if it clears the end of the axle, would just foul the connecting rod anyway. I think these are (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Manfred Moolhuysen
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| | | | | | | (...) True, those two detail ideas are closly connected with eachother. The wheel as proposed by Reinhard "Ben" Beneke needs the pinhole standing out to be able to clear the stud of an added 1x1 round plate, while the other wheel by Ben Fleskes (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I was lucky enough to see these fantastic drivers in person last week when Ben made a visit to the GMLTC "clubhouse". I don't know how much design work Ben (Beneke) put into his design, but after having talked to Ben Fleskes about all of his (...) (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ya ya... my only question is what constitutes a "set". I see myself needing of these in black and dark grey and grey... I've had a chance to actually build more with these since I posted my 1830 model and I'm liking them more and more. I hope (...) (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —John Gerlach
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| | | | | | | | (...) At least 20... *grin* JohnG, GMLTC (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Na... that constitutes a good start not a set. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think a "set" would be the minimum amount, say 4. If I were Ben, I'd charge $14 for a set of 4, or $24 for a set of 8. But your points are well taken: true LTDs (LEGO Train Dudes) would purchase multiple sets in various colors:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Makes sense. Except I think it's better just to sell them in pairs because you never know how many blinds you will need... it depends on what you are building... a 4-12-2 for example needs more blinds than a 4-4-0 does (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) From the customer's POV; I said what I would do if I were Ben. In order to get back his monetary investment (nevermind his time investment), he is going to need to sell 1,000s of these. Also, he is planning to manually create the blind (...) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Nod. Good point and thanks for the clarification (...) Nod. IF (and it's a big if) BL will allow them to be sold there. It's currently a big open question in the BL discussion groups, with the usual suspects participating and little or no (...) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | (...) Personally, I'd want to buy them in sixes. I'd guess that so would most builders of British, if not many European, locomotives. Adding in that some will want a pair of those to be blind, and some won't, I think pairs is the only way of keeping (...) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jeramy Spurgeon
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Not being too familiar with loco lingo.....what are blinds? why are they useful? jeramy (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) They have no flanges. Thus, they can be a bit "off" on alignment negotiating curves. (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Tim David
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| | | | | | | | Possibly Ben should get some franchises! My suggestion would be someone for Europe, based in Germany probably and someone in Australia (possibly somone in Japan as well). This (with Ben selling to US) would cover most of the train building areas (...) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | (...) That sounds like a lot of effort, for demand that will obviously peak rapidly then dwindle a bit. I have another suggestion, if Bricklink won't play - why not distribute the initial lot through LTCs? ILTCO could e-mail all the LTCs, with an (...) (21 years ago, 12-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | (...) Why a lot of effort? It saves Ben a lot of work, and all the buyers some $$$. (...) While that MIGHT work for the US, it certainly won't for Europe. Hardly any LTC's here, and most other clubs won't bother... not to mention those that are not (...) (21 years ago, 12-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | (...) A lot of effort to make the contacts, when there are already groups of people in contact. (...) No, I said that you actually pay more this way. For any new product, costs are initially high and then come down. But, you always have some (...) (21 years ago, 13-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Mike Walsh
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| | | | | | | "Jason J Railton" <j.j.railton@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:Ho1Do8.1ypw@lugnet.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) On the ILTCO site or on LUGNET? Thanks, Mike (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | fixing broken links( Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) There was a stray iltco.northcomp.com link buried in the middle of the main .trains sidebar As a note for future reference, these sorts of minor errors are best handled via email rather than via a string of posts in the newsgroup... thats what (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: fixing broken links( Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Mike Walsh
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| | | | | | | | "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:Ho1H66.Bx3@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) A steam engine perhaps? Mike (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | 1830 style loco —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Perhaps... Once moderated: (URL) deeplinks (crank through the numbers from 1078 through 1089) overall: (URL) rear view: (no tender) (URL) with tender: (URL) driver in all its glory: (URL) didn't bother with syncronizing gears but I could have) (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains) !!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 1830 style loco —Niels Karsdorp
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 1830 style loco —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'd prefer dark orange then for the old NCS colors :D (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 1830 style loco —Niels Karsdorp
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Or blue for the old NBDS colors :D Or green for the old SS :D Or brown for the old NRS colors :D For those not known to the Dutch railway history: NRS = Nederlandsche Rhijnspoorweg Maatschappij (Dutch Rhine Railway Company) NCS = Nederlandsche (...) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 1830 style loco —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Yellow? What prototype used that? (NOT going to say "no prototype exists" because you all know, there's ALWAYS some prototype somewhere) But even with no prototype that might be cool. can you say Fabuland Train? :-) (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 1830 style loco —Niels Karsdorp
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The world famous The Rocket, built by George Stephenson (URL) Picture taken from European Railway Server 1935 0-2-2 replica of the Stockton & Darlington railway 'Rocket is seen from the sectioned side while at the National Railway Museum, York (...) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | 1920 Electric —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Na... Steam is pretty old hat. Clearly what's needed are good electric locos. This *isn't* a good one,the body is (by *far*) not my best work but I wanted to show off a little articulation in the frame. So the NEED for good electric locos is (...) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 1920 Electric —Horst Lehner
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| | | | | | | | Hello Larry, You didn't get many postings in response to your pics on brickshelf yet, but I have to say, I like these models. Yes, I agree, the electric loco body looks a bit like version 0.x ;-). I think most of that is due to the garden fence (...) (21 years ago, 13-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 1920 Electric —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hmm... I actually LIKED the garden fence pieces as grids. one thing I would have done if I had more time was to turn them sideways but I think they add a lot!!! What I had there before was more of the gray grille/ribbed 1x2 bricks but they (...) (21 years ago, 14-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —John Gerlach
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| | | | | | (...) We were playing with some of the first run of wheels at our GMLTC meeting Thursday night. The spacing on where the Technic pin sits is just right - it sets in just far enough to allow whatever you connect to it to clear the outter lip of the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jean-Marc Détraz
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| | | | | | (...) John, Just by curiosity, how are they doing on switches? have you been tested them in depth? speed? JM (...) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Harvey Henkelman
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| | | | | Thanks for the news Steve, and kudos to Ben! Although I'm a Diesel man myself, I would use these driver wheels for a few electric locomotives I've always wanted to build (has anyone seen a Swedish Dm3 yet? They are awesome! (URL) (21 years ago, 8-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Manfred Moolhuysen
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| | | | | | (...) locomotive, derived from the Swiss Ae4/6 series 10801-10812 (URL) friendly greetings, M. Moolhuysen (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, if I had ONE more pair of wheels I would have done something like that, it's a natural for two pairs of wheels around a center articulation point, with leading single axles at each end also articulated.... or something like the 4554 (...) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | (...) Actually the Dutch 1000 class was like (1A) Bo (A1) , one of the reasons it never really became a succes (they were rail wreckers) (21 years ago, 11-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Steam Drivers by Big Ben Bricks!!! —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke
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| | | | (...) Hi Steve, thanks for posting this cool news! I love these wheels and I am amazed how near the are to my dream design (which of course has been devellopped completely independant from Ben Fleskes design). But in the end they both depend on the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Nov-03, to lugnet.trains)
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