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| | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane
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| | | | | (...) It's obvious to me he means that. (...) Your more wrong Allen, than Lego was to change the shade of gray. There are few enough really good models posted here already without another level of complication slowing us down. We depend on the (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague
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| | | | | | | (...) It is my belief that Technic studded beams will always be around, as long as technic is around. There are too many advantages of studded beams over studless beams for them to go away. So for me that is a non-issue. Studless beams have (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Agreed, and I wrote that in my original message. (...) Agreed. (...) Peeron is down right now. I'll try to do a search as it goes up. But looking in the 2003 catalog, none of the 'Technic' sets seem to have them. Don't know about Bionicle/Star (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hi Jindrich, Thanks for your open minded responses. <snip> (...) I guess my long winded post was unneccessary...... Wimpy beams have been getting a lot of grief lately, so I guess I had pent up energy about that. Wimpy beams provide no new (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Hi Kevin, (...) I think this misunderstanding arose from my bad pidgin english, I should have stressed that 'only studless' phrase. (...) I've recently re-built my 8479 Barcode Truck - this is a 'traditional' set and I can bet, that taking few first (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Replying to myself, phew ;-) AFAIK in Technic, last sets containing studded beams are 3804 RIS2.0 (2001), 8466 4x4Offroader (2001) & 8461 Williams (2002). 8431 Crane Truck (2002) doesn't count, as it is a re-release. Sets for 2003: 8441 (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Then I'm concerned for them too. Maybe LEGO will go back to them as it is shifting back to its core product lines. Steven is right. They are more open to input right now that they have been in a long time. Kevin (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Joseph Woolley
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| | | | | | | | | | | Jindroush wrote: > Jindroush wrote: > >>Peeron is down right now. I'll try to do a search as it goes up. But >>looking in the 2003 catalog, none of the 'Technic' sets seem to have >>them. Don't know about Bionicle/Star Wars/Racers though. Few (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Paul Kleniewski
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | "Joseph Woolley" <jwoolley@spamblock....ht.rr.com> wrote in message news:HrLp8K.1qot@lugnet.com... (...) i think TLC is not sure what to do with electric bricks i still force my idea DL (URL) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Jona Jeffords
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Joe, I see in your linked to model that you have been able to mount motors to a studless chassis. I am wondering if you or anyone else has come upon a "standard" method of doing this? Do you have any other pictures demonstrating how you were (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The second picture shows a good sideview, and it looks like he just used some basic plates (and two of the rail-plates normally used to mount that style of motor) to trap a small TECHNIC brick extending out of the side of the motor, which is (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Jona Jeffords
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) several of my robot chassis in the past, it honestly never occured to me to use them for mounting motors. I am definately going to have to play around with that idea. Jona (URL) - LEGO Robotics Group of Ann Arbor (21 years ago, 24-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The C-3PO, Stormtrooper, and Jango Fett TECHNIC sets all use 1x2 (2-hole) or 1x1 bricks to attach basic LEGO pieces to the otherwise TECHNIC assembly. The R2-D2 set uses a 1-hole 1x2 as a spacer between two assemblies. The closest I can (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane
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| | | | | | | | (...) Everyone can see that the two systems have their own advantages and that combining the two gives the advantages of both, but thats not the problem. The problem is that the 2003 sets had NO studded beams. (...) Having a few studded beams in a (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague
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| | | | | | | | | (...) There are no 2003 TECHNIC sets that have studed beams. There certainly are non-TECHNIC sets that have them (...) So you are ALL or NOTHING. This is fine on a set by set basis, but not across the entire product line. (...) With the 2003 TECHNIC (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Ray Sanders
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) This is a difficult statement to confirm or deny. Please note that there are very very few sets (beginning with 2002) which still have the TECHNIC moniker. One of the 2004 World City police sets has an alternate model on the back of the box (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You haven't read my post properly, at the bottom it says I wouldn't mind mixed. (...) But RIS 2.0 is a set you buy for the RCX (and parts) not a set you buy for parts only. It costs £70-100 pounds second hand on Ebay. And you don't get ten (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague
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| | | | | | | | (...) Here are sets in 2003 that have studed beams (technic bricks with hole(s)): 8381 - 2 8380 - 2 8384 - 2 8364 - 10 8357 - 2 7471 - 4 this one has studless beams too. 7470 - 35 this one has studless beams too 7469 - 19 7468 - 1 7467 - 3 7422 - 1 (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —John Guerquin
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| | | | | | (...) I'm usually more of a lurker here nowadays, but when this topic came up (again), I had to add my 2 cents. Allan, I couldn't agree with you more. Technic is supposed to be more complicated than other lines. To me complicated = more challenging, (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | | | (...) But this complication is unnecessary and doesn't bring anything new/positive. Rather the other things - studless beams are incompatible with System. That's a major issue. They had to design completely new pneumatics for it. We may also see new (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Steven Lane
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| | | | | | (...) This is the same point I made earlier. Building with studless is hard therefore possibly damaging it's appeal to the kids who are supposed to be the market for technic. Adult users of Technic are I think very rare. And how with studless do you (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Brian Davis
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| | | | | (...) I would agree, it's much more in-line with the way I think and build... but that's at least partially due to my history with LEGO. My 6-year-old son uses both styles, and even in his "regular" (non-technic) builds incorperates the pin and SNOT (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Kevin L. Clague
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| | | | (...) Before I start, I'm taking three big deep breaths and relaxing.... I've got a lot of energy on this topic. Jindrich, I understand and respect why you don't like the studless beams, so please don't take this post as though I don't. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | (...) Jindrich, I also understand both sides of the argument. I see uses for both types of pieces, so I'm not hard core in either direction. (...) Also, I hope you understood my question about what it was you were concerned about. I just wanted to (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | | (...) Yes. (...) I should have written 'the studless beams'. (...) Of course, I'm not against the studless beams. I'm against replacement of studded beams with studless in new Technic sets, rendering them incompatible with System. Technic (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | (...) Cool. :) It just makes sure we're all on the same page. (...) Actually it was specifically the words, "right to live" that seemed to indicate you felt these parts were dead, gone, deleted, discontinued etc. etc. Once again, this was why I (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Jindrich Kubec
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| | | | | | (...) Don't catch my on my every word, please, I'm not a native speaker so expressing some subtle feelings and so are rather hard for me ;-) I just think of studded beams/holed plates as a 'compatibility layer' between System and Technic. My old 744 (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Allan Bedford
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| | | | | | (...) I speak only one language, so please don't feel I'm in any way attempting to pick apart your English postings. In fact, I am quite sincerely just trying to make sure that I understand exactly what it is that you are trying to express. It's (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —Tobbe Arnesson
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| | | | (...) Just to clarify; I thought SNOT was more about turning BASIC bricks on other edges then Studs on top (hence SNOT - Studs Not On Top). By turning parts around it creates different offsets etc.. See Bram's BMW as an example of offset building: (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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| | | | | | Re: Studless Technic models —David Laswell
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| | | | (...) like the round wing on his disc-racer: (URL) has since evolved to incude a wide variety of building techniques, all of which have one thing in common. There aren't any studs on top. (...) Of course it is. You use sideways mounted TECHNIC (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jan-04, to lugnet.technic)
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