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| | | Hello, all. I have some new space MOCs. Heavy fighter: (URL) tanker: (URL) fighter: (URL) Don't be afraid to criticize. -JHK (21 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.space, lugnet.announce.moc)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | (...) called a 'fighter', tho. I think fighters are by nature shorter range than a ship with a bathroom, bed, and living quarters. But there isn't a lot of words to describe something larger than a fighter yet smaller than a small ship. But this is (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks! (...) Yeah... I just called it a fighter because it was small, and had lots of fightery-stuff like weapons, sensors, etc. I just threw in the room because I love interioirs. I'm not really sure what to call this... Browsing (URL) see (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | to greeble or not to greeble —Paul Hartzog
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| | | | | | | (...) well, there are basically two 'kinds' of design: 1) greebled, machinery, "dirty" look 2) smooth, sleek, refined, "clean" look #1 shows up in a lot of movies like Aliens, et al where you see lots of greeblies all over everything. #2 shows up in (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: to greeble or not to greeble —Tony Knaak
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| | | | | | | | Agood example of both greebled and smooth too can be seen throughout Ken-tucky Works. He buildds almost all his ship in a similar fashion; "structure, starwars-like pipings(greebles), and skin." His style blends the greebles and the smooth into a (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: to greeble or not to greeble —Paul Hartzog
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| | | | | | | | yeah, i shoulda mentioned Ken dang he rulz -p (21 years ago, 14-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Michael Dallaston
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| | | | | | (...) The space equivalent of a Motor Torpedo Boat / PT Boat, perhaps :) And that thing is one giant pile of greeblies, but it does work! I can see someone's doubled their collection with the parts from an ISD... Michael Dallaston (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Soren Roberts
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| | | | | Gotta love your new stuff. The heavy fighter is my favorite, the detail is really amazing. I think it would be best classified as a corvette or patrol boat though. Please build more models like this! Take care, Soren (21 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | (...) Hey, thanks! I can imagine this very well as a corvette, which I believe was a sort of escort. A large fleet of my Tankers sorrounded by the Heavy Fighter... Sounds cool. Partrol boat is also cool. I can imagine fighters taking rounds (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Jason S. Mantor
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| | | | | Looks like somone is making good use of Star Destoyer parts. Neat stuff. I really like the Tanker : ) (21 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks! I like the tanker alot, too. I was on a trip with a small bot-factory like box and the two crow's nest pieces gave me an idea... I like the way it turned out. -JHK (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Curt Tigges
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| | | | | All of these are very nice MOCs. The "Heavy Fighter" is very cool. The only fault I can find with it is that there are so many greeblies that the the fighter would be very vulnerable, with so much machinery exposed. But overall, very good job. Curt (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Curt Tigges
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| | | | | All of these are very nice MOCs. The "Heavy Fighter" is very cool. The only fault I can find with it is that there are so many greeblies that the the fighter would be very vulnerable, with so much machinery exposed. But overall, very good job. Curt (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Adrian Drake
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| | | | | | (...) I had the same thought. While the heavy fighter looks nice, I think it's a little TOO engreebled. There ought to be a few patches where it's smoothish because, as Curt said, if this were a real ship, all those little bits would be very (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Greeblies: Pros and Cons (was: New Space MOCs) —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | | (...) Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm gonna go think about the whole engreeblment idea. I guess that it depends on a person's idea of a spaceship. I've always imaganed a spaceship as a clunky bit of machinery that needs large amounts of just (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Greeblies: Pros and Cons (was: New Space MOCs) —Adrian Drake
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| | | | | | | | | (...) My designs take in a great deal of various Sci Fi sources. Most space vehicles on TV and movies are typically fairly uncluttered, or at least have large expanses of smooth surfaces. Most likely because it's easier to make models that way. But (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Greeblies: Pros and Cons (was: New Space MOCs) —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think the 'one hit, one kill' would make sense for direct hits, but also think about the wide variety partial hits. I mean, even having a powerful laserbeam pass near your fighter would cause some damage. Even if armor plating isn't called (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | | This has been a fascinating discussion about the various pros and cons of greebling. I'm replying to the discussion in general, but posting in reply to this specific one mainly due Adrian's use of the phrase 'it's a little too engreebled'. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Travis Matheson
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| | | | | | (...) I think this was a very well thought out post Allister. let me reply to it. (...) it is really something that suits individual models. if you were building a sleek interstellar racer then you really wouldn't engreeble it. However if you were (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Chris Maddison
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| | | | | (...) on. Great use of the ISD parts - I want one real bad, but Shiri won't let me. "Plane tickets are more important", she says. :-) (...) there. (I've long since given up on the orange vs. antifreeze thing :-) Neat microfig ships too - I've been (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | (...) Well... I would gladly trade an ISD for a plane ticket to a certain place near Arlington, Virginia that happens during the summer and I can't go to because of cost... Thanks for the compliments. (...) Yeah, I didn't have a proper fleebnork (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Paul Hartzog
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| | | | | Kruer, the heavy fighter is a schizophrenic nightmare and i mean that in a good way. very innaresting. very greebled. here are two ships also overdone: (by paul hanson) one named (synchronicitously) Overkill (URL) the prospector (URL) they are (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Kyle Keppler
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| | | | | | | Umm, Me too. What paul said. But what is the blue thing to the left of the canopy? (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Joel Kuester
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| | | | | | | | (...) yeah! me too... and I have to give you credit for detailing the bottom. I like the overall shape, although I personally would prefer to see the greeblies a bit more concentrated... otherwise fleebs are gonna be ALL OVER that ship :D cheers! Jk (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Paul Hartzog
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| | | | | | | | whoa? is there some connection between greeblies and fleebnork lodgings? do tell.... -p (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Joel Kuester
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| | | | | | | | (...) well, not that I am an authority on Fleebs, but it seems to grok. reference posts: (URL) Fleebs seem to leach power, and lay eggs in crevices, greebs make a natural habitat for them to nest. cheers! Jk (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | Wow, thanks for the very detailed response, Paul. I might change the story line... -JHK (who's going to go and redesign the Heavy Fighter, or perhaps take it apart and try to build a greeblie-less ship) (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | Okay, I've stripped most of the greeblies: (URL) this a good place to start redesigning the model? PLMKWYT. -JHK (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Chris Maddison
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| | | | | | | John, While I think the ship looked good the way it was (yeah, if it were to *really* fly thru space it might get ripped up, and maybe "fighter" wasn't the best description for it), this is even better. I think it's fine just the way it is now. Maye (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | greebling for keeps —Paul Hartzog
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| | | | | | oh yeah, very nice. although you want to keep in mind what adrian said: build what YOU like, and don't mind us ***holes (paraphrasing) this is really nice now, keeping the greeblies in between the slopes and behind the engine panels is really (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Stephen F. Roberts
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| | | | | On 00:37 01/13/2003 +0000, Paul Hartzog wrote (...) Is there a ship under all those greeblies? :-) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —Gil Shaw
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| | | | | One of your biggest endevours (Heavy Fighter) yet, John! And quite a conversation on esthetics too boot. Many of the merits and critiques have already been talked about in this thread, but I would like to add that from a pure form perspective, I (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks! It looks like I got the message across. (...) I'm working on that... What do you mean by 'wing pylons?' (...) Very... I've only built one, though. (...) :) LOL! You should try it. Microfig can be very rewarding, especially if you don't (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John P. Henderson
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| | | | (...) Hey JHK! I don't have a lot of time left online today, so I will have to be brief. Just wanted to say I like your stuff as usual. Not a big fan of the hover-bike thing, but I do like the compartment in the rear and how it hinges open. Is that (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | (...) It's a fleebnork! :) To be more specific, it's a fleebnork power source. The fleeb's energy field is used to power the bike. (...) I'm liking the term corvette, this seems a little small for a destroyer. I would think of a destroyer as around (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | Re: New Space MOCs —John P. Henderson
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| | | | (...) Oh, of course! I have read many a tale about those little buggers, and witnessed a number of technologies related to their control. But I had not seen one up close before. ...And of course Leonard Hoffman's recent story shows they may be even (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jan-03, to lugnet.space)
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