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Re: "jump.cgi" considered harmful ? (1)
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lugnet.off-topic.geek
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Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:29:23 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Eric Joslin writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > > 10 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms so-7-0-0.XR2.LND2.alter.net [158.43.233.246]
> > > 11 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms SO-1-0-0.TR1.LND2.Alter.Net [146.188.7.230]
> > > 12 80 ms 90 ms 90 ms SO-6-0-0.IR1.DCA4.Alter.Net [146.188.8.169]
> > > 13 90 ms 90 ms 80 ms SO-0-0-0.IR1.DCA6.Alter.Net [146.188.13.33]
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> Am I misreading the big jump in time between 11 and 12 as transatlantic
> traffic? LND2 does sort of evoke "London" the same way that DCA evokes
> "Washington DC" (Tyson's Corners??)
No, that is the transatlantic jump from London to DC. Tyson's Corners is
further down, the naming convention is [port].[routertype].TCO#.Alter.Net
TCO=Tyson's Corners, Va.
> I will say this, I agree with your assessment about bricksmiths potentially
> being behind a potentially bad connection and I will raise the point with
> the Powers That Be. :-)
Ooof, well, out of sheer curiousity, I did the following 6 traceroutes from the
Mae-WEST Looking Glass. I correctly figured it would give a better peek at
cais.net's network. Call me Sherlock Holmes.
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to 63.217.235.34
1 sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 0 msec
sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 0 msec
sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 0 msec
2 sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 4 msec
sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 4 msec
3 sfo2-core5-pos4-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.51.233) 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec
4 sfo2-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.5) 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec
5 *
198.32.200.99 4 msec *
6 pos1-3.core.slc.cais.net (63.216.13.61) [AS 3491] 16 msec * *
7 * *
pos1-0.core2.slc.cais.net (63.216.13.14) [AS 3491] 20 msec
8 pos1-3.core.den.cais.net (63.216.12.57) [AS 3491] 28 msec 28 msec 28 msec
9 pos1-3.core.kcy.cais.net (63.216.11.57) [AS 3491] 40 msec 40 msec 40 msec
10 * * *
11 pos1-0.core2.chi.cais.net (63.216.9.14) [AS 3491] 60 msec
pos1-1.core2.chi.cais.net (63.216.9.18) [AS 3491] 60 msec
pos1-0.core2.chi.cais.net (63.216.9.14) [AS 3491] 56 msec
12 *
pos1-2.core.det.cais.net (63.216.8.57) [AS 3491] 104 msec *
13 * * *
14 pos1-0.core2.pitt.cais.net (63.216.6.14) [AS 3491] 100 msec 104 msec 104
msec
15 pos1-3.core.wdc.cais.net (63.216.1.61) [AS 3491] 116 msec * 100 msec
16 *
ser4-4.core2.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.69) [AS 3491] 100 msec
ser4-3.core2.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.65) [AS 3491] 108 msec
17 pos1-1.core1.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.17) [AS 3491] 108 msec * *
18 *
fe3-1.edge1.mcl.cais.net (209.8.159.41) [AS 3491] 112 msec *
19 * *
fe0-0.dsl2.mcl.cais.net (205.252.5.192) [AS 3491] 104 msec
20 * * *
21 63.217.235.34 [AS 3491] 112 msec 116 msec 112 msec
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to lugnet.com (209.68.63.236)
1 sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 0 msec
sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 64 msec
sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 0 msec
2 sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 0 msec
3 sfo2-core5-pos4-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.51.233) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
4 sfo2-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.5) 4 msec 4 msec 0 msec
5 sfo2-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.2) 4 msec 4 msec 0 msec
6 ord2-core1-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.25) 64 msec 60 msec 64 msec
7 ord2-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.86) 64 msec
ord2-core4-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.90) 64 msec
ord2-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.86) 64 msec
8 ord2-core3-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.97) 64 msec
ord2-core3-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.94) 64 msec
ord2-core3-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.97) 64 msec
9 dca6-core4-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.29) 112 msec 112 msec 112 msec
10 dca6-core5-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.118) 112 msec 116 msec 112
msec
11 dca6-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.105) 112 msec 112 msec 112
msec
12 pit2-core2-pos1-3.atlas.icix.net (165.117.68.22) 120 msec 120 msec 120 msec
13 pit2-core1-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.63.33) 120 msec 124 msec 120 msec
14 pit1-core2-pos1-0-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.63.25) 120 msec 124 msec 120
msec
15 pit1-core3-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.53.166) 120 msec 140 msec 124
msec
16 pair-gw.digex.net (206.181.67.137) 128 msec 124 msec 128 msec
17 192.168.1.4 128 msec 128 msec 128 msec
18 lugnet.com (209.68.63.236) [AS 7859] 132 msec 128 msec 128 msec
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to 63.217.235.34
1 sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 0 msec
sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 0 msec
sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 0 msec
2 sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 0 msec
3 sfo2-core5-pos4-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.51.233) 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec
4 sfo2-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.5) 4 msec 0 msec 4 msec
5 *
198.32.200.99 4 msec 4 msec
6 *
pos1-3.core.slc.cais.net (63.216.13.61) [AS 3491] 16 msec *
7 *
pos1-0.core2.slc.cais.net (63.216.13.14) [AS 3491] 16 msec 16 msec
8 pos1-3.core.den.cais.net (63.216.12.57) [AS 3491] 28 msec * 28 msec
9 *
pos1-3.core.kcy.cais.net (63.216.11.57) [AS 3491] 36 msec *
10 pos1-3.core.chi.cais.net (63.216.9.61) [AS 3491] 60 msec * 56 msec
11 * *
pos1-1.core2.chi.cais.net (63.216.9.18) [AS 3491] 56 msec
12 pos1-2.core.det.cais.net (63.216.8.57) [AS 3491] 104 msec * 224 msec
13 pos1-2.core.pitt.cais.net (63.216.7.57) [AS 3491] 344 msec 252 msec 244
msec
14 pos1-0.core2.pitt.cais.net (63.216.6.14) [AS 3491] 272 msec * *
15 pos1-3.core.wdc.cais.net (63.216.1.61) [AS 3491] 104 msec 100 msec *
16 * *
ser4-4.core2.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.69) [AS 3491] 140 msec
17 pos1-1.core1.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.17) [AS 3491] 116 msec * *
18 fe3-1.edge1.mcl.cais.net (209.8.159.41) [AS 3491] 112 msec 132 msec *
19 fe0-0.dsl2.mcl.cais.net (205.252.5.192) [AS 3491] 104 msec * *
20 * * *
21 *
63.217.235.34 [AS 3491] 164 msec *
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to lugnet.com (209.68.63.236)
1 sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 0 msec
sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 4 msec
sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 0 msec
2 sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 0 msec
3 sfo2-core5-pos4-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.51.233) 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec
4 sfo2-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.5) 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec
5 sfo2-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.2) 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec
6 ord2-core1-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.25) 64 msec 64 msec 64 msec
7 ord2-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.86) 64 msec
ord2-core4-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.90) 64 msec
ord2-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.86) 64 msec
8 ord2-core3-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.97) 64 msec
ord2-core3-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.94) 60 msec
ord2-core3-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.97) 64 msec
9 dca6-core4-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.29) 112 msec 112 msec 112 msec
10 dca6-core5-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.118) 112 msec 112 msec 112
msec
11 dca6-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.105) 112 msec 112 msec 112
msec
12 pit2-core2-pos1-3.atlas.icix.net (165.117.68.22) 124 msec 120 msec 124 msec
13 pit2-core1-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.63.33) 120 msec 124 msec 120 msec
14 pit1-core2-pos1-0-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.63.25) 124 msec 124 msec 124
msec
15 pit1-core3-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.53.166) 120 msec 124 msec 124
msec
16 pair-gw.digex.net (206.181.67.137) 144 msec 124 msec 128 msec
17 192.168.1.4 132 msec 132 msec 128 msec
18 lugnet.com (209.68.63.236) [AS 7859] 128 msec 128 msec 124 msec
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to 63.217.235.34
1 sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 0 msec
sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 0 msec
sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 4 msec
2 sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 0 msec
3 sfo2-core5-pos4-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.51.233) 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec
4 sfo2-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.5) 0 msec 4 msec 4 msec
5 198.32.200.99 4 msec * *
6 * * *
7 *
pos1-0.core2.slc.cais.net (63.216.13.14) [AS 3491] 16 msec *
8 pos1-3.core.den.cais.net (63.216.12.57) [AS 3491] 28 msec * 28 msec
9 *
pos1-3.core.kcy.cais.net (63.216.11.57) [AS 3491] 48 msec 40 msec
10 pos1-3.core.chi.cais.net (63.216.9.61) [AS 3491] 60 msec 60 msec 60 msec
11 *
pos1-1.core2.chi.cais.net (63.216.9.18) [AS 3491] 60 msec
pos1-0.core2.chi.cais.net (63.216.9.14) [AS 3491] 60 msec
12 pos1-2.core.det.cais.net (63.216.8.57) [AS 3491] 100 msec 104 msec *
13 *
pos1-2.core.pitt.cais.net (63.216.7.57) [AS 3491] 100 msec *
14 pos1-0.core2.pitt.cais.net (63.216.6.14) [AS 3491] 100 msec * *
15 *
pos1-3.core.wdc.cais.net (63.216.1.61) [AS 3491] 112 msec *
16 ser4-3.core2.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.65) [AS 3491] 120 msec
ser4-4.core2.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.69) [AS 3491] 124 msec
ser4-3.core2.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.65) [AS 3491] 116 msec
17 * *
pos1-1.core1.mcl.cais.net (63.216.0.17) [AS 3491] 236 msec
18 * *
fe3-1.edge1.mcl.cais.net (209.8.159.41) [AS 3491] 140 msec
19 fe0-0.dsl2.mcl.cais.net (205.252.5.192) [AS 3491] 144 msec * 116 msec
20 * * *
21 63.217.235.34 [AS 3491] 132 msec 140 msec *
Type escape sequence to abort.
Tracing the route to lugnet.com (209.68.63.236)
1 sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 0 msec
sjc2-core1-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.29) 4 msec
sjc2-core4-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.50.134) 0 msec
2 sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 0 msec
sjc2-core2-pos1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.59.33) 4 msec
sjc2-core2-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.60.122) 0 msec
3 sfo2-core5-pos4-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.51.233) 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec
4 sfo2-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.5) 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec
5 sfo2-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.2) 4 msec 0 msec 4 msec
6 ord2-core1-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.25) 64 msec 64 msec 64 msec
7 ord2-core4-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.90) 64 msec
ord2-core2-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.86) 64 msec
ord2-core4-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.90) 64 msec
8 ord2-core3-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.94) 64 msec
ord2-core3-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.97) 64 msec
ord2-core3-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.94) 64 msec
9 dca6-core4-pos5-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.29) 116 msec 112 msec 112 msec
10 dca6-core5-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.118) 112 msec 112 msec 112
msec
11 dca6-core1-pos7-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.48.105) 112 msec 116 msec 112
msec
12 pit2-core2-pos1-3.atlas.icix.net (165.117.68.22) 124 msec 120 msec 120 msec
13 pit2-core1-pos6-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.63.33) 120 msec 124 msec 120 msec
14 pit1-core2-pos1-0-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.63.25) 124 msec 120 msec 120
msec
15 pit1-core3-fa4-1-0.atlas.icix.net (165.117.53.166) 124 msec 124 msec 120
msec
16 pair-gw.digex.net (206.181.67.137) 124 msec 168 msec 132 msec
17 192.168.1.4 132 msec 136 msec 128 msec
18 lugnet.com (209.68.63.236) [AS 7859] 128 msec 128 msec 128 msec
As you can see, the potholes in cais.net's network abound.
> Since we're getting it free, though, moving may not
> be feasible. (and we're grateful, believe me).
Ooooof. Well, I didn't say it was a bad connection for free. For free, it's a
durn good connection.
> I will say one more thing, and i think this is more important actually, than
> diagnosing why bricksmiths is slow, I think we need to seek a different site
> as the jump target for testing jump.cgi.
Preferably several, and with concurrent traceroutes to the site from both the
host requesting jump.cgi from Lugnet (ie, the desktop machine someone is
browsing from) *and* the Lugnet server (which, clearly, would require Todd's
assistance). You need the traces to be sure it isn't network slowdown from
either location causing a problem.
eric
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Message has 3 Replies:
 | | Re: "jump.cgi" considered harmful ? (1)
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| (...) Hate to follow myself up continually, but I thought I'd show you what I meant with a snapshot from your original trace to bricksmiths.com from your client location: 10 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms so-7-0-0.XR2.LND2.alter.net [158.43.233.246] 11 10 ms 10 (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
| | | Re: "jump.cgi" considered harmful ? (1)
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| (...) why do you need traces from lugnet to wherever? the jump.cgi doesn't get the data for you, it just redirects you to your desination... so the connection speed between lugnet and your target is immaterial. btw, if you want to try another host, (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
| | | Re: "jump.cgi" considered harmful ? (1)
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| (...) Here's something else I noticed: Bricksmiths.com doesn't reverse resolve. I fed the Looking Glass the IP address for both sites, and it automagickally knew that 209.68.63.236 was lugnet.com, but it didn't know that 63.217.235.34 was (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: "jump.cgi" considered harmful ? (1)
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| (...) Am I misreading the big jump in time between 11 and 12 as transatlantic traffic? LND2 does sort of evoke "London" the same way that DCA evokes "Washington DC" (Tyson's Corners??) (...) Yes and yes. (...) I have no idea what it proves about (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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