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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) It's a bigger gun, letting you shoot bigger things or alternatively make a larger whole where your foot used to be. I too like Perl, also C++. But my preference is for things like Delphi, Jade or Forte when I (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: learning languages (was: Re: Perl rules!)
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(...) job security baby. Hey, did you hear about the new Object Oriented COBOL? It's true. They've come up with a name for it! ADD 1 TO COBOL. (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: Good read (Was: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?])
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(...) Me too! Great stuff, Robert! Say, here's a fun tidbit about the golden ratio if you're interested -- If you plot multiples of phi on the unit interval [0,1), then the nth multiple always falls into the largest "untouched" sub-interval. That is (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: learning languages (was: Re: Perl rules!)
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(...) Heh heh heh. What was your parental-unit (1) coding? My dad was basically a civvie contractor for the Army for a good chunk of his career, writing software for calibrating RADAR and RADOT hardware, though he did work at the Hanford Nuclear (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: learning languages (was: Re: Perl rules!)
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(...) Sometimes I'm more reasonable. Sometimes I'm not. Not the world's best parent, but far from the worst. My children are both very not-ordinary, but in completely different ways. Steve (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I don't know the original specs for either language, but I *think* COBOL's data-description capabilities were much richer than FORTRAN's. Steve (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I think that's when it was first released, right? Hopper began working on it much earlier than that, yes? 1955 was what I read somewhere a couple hours ago. (...) Hey cool -- so you're a second-gen too? We'll have to invent a secret handshake. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: learning languages (was: Re: Perl rules!)
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(...) Oy vey, der camps. I alvays vorget der camps. Und der suits und der schlide-rules and der schtuff. (...) Wasn't COBOL started in 1959? By the time COBOL was developed, my dad (1) was writing FORTRAN compilers for whatever platform he needed (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Well, hey, aren't we all -- and as well we should all be (IMHO) in 1999, especially with all this Double-Byte COBOL, OO-COBOL, and COBOL-Java stuff going on as perverse attempts to keep COBOL alive and milking the Y2K cash cow. But I thought (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I have to admit, I'm something of an anti-COBOL bigot. That has obviously clouded my judgement, but I can't see what COBOL could do that FORTRAN wasn't already doing more cleanly and efficiently, on the same platforms. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: learning languages (was: Re: Perl rules!)
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(...) Hey, don't be dissin' COBOL for that :-( It served a purpose in its time (~40 years ago) and it's not COBOL's fault that it's still being used. (...) LOL! (OTOH, I've written 'printf' a couple of times when I'd meant to write 'print' :-) (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) "What The--?! Why don't we use words we already know?" And thus the evil in Grace Hopper begat COBOL. ... Can you imagine the spelling errors that would pop up in code if programming languages were spoken? :-, Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | learning languages (was: Re: Perl rules!)
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[removed lugnet.off-topic.debate from ng-post list] (...) I had 2 years of German and didn't end up learning too much of it because it was from books and tapes and a little bit of conversation in class. I can still write some simple sentences and (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I was that way too. That's why god invented spellcheck. (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) It's a good thing human minds are good at language -- can you imagine if parents actually had to teach their children to speak? That would be painful. Believe me, I know -- I tried for 4 years. *Then* my kid decided he was ready to talk. But (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Luckily human beings are very good at that. In fact, the rules seem to be mostly descriptive -- we naturally say things a certain way, and then retroactively we look and say, "ok, that's the right way to say it because of such-and-such-rule". (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) It also means there are 50 thousand rules to learn, and 50 million exceptions to those rules. At least we don't have to cojugate (sp?) anything... Steve (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Another great strength of English is that through years of borrowing ideas from other languages, you end up with many ways to express the same idea, allowing the flexibilty both to make things beautiful and to find just the precise way to (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Hey, I'm going to have to take issue with that. English can be a very beautiful language. It can also be an ugly language, but that doesn't mean that it can't be amazing poetry in the right hands. So actually it's a pretty good analogy. :) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I'd put correctness above maintainability, in the sense that, although maintainable code needs to be able to stay correct, code ought to be correct in the first place. And above correctness, the code ought to be solving the right problems (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Woo-hoo! Thanks, Todd! :-, Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) The newsserver will automatically assign one for your message if you leave that line out. No need to bother making one. --Todd (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Hey all NNTP gurus, How does one construct an NNTP header Message-ID? Is there an algorighm? Is it random? I'm writing a script in Perl which would use Net::NNTP to submit an article to an NNTP server. However, I would need to supply the entire text (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: Perl rules!
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(...) Yeah, I had a nice discussion on this exact subject a while ago elsewhere. Maintainability is usually more important than efficiency or looking pretty. However, to be maintainable, code has to be written in ways that can be understood easily. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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| | Re: Idea for automatic Lugnet Set Database linking
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Todd, I've read several messages from the thread, but not the all of them, so please excuse me if it is already mentioned. I think the way web browsers automatically handles URLs in the message body is also suitable for this mission. if you type the (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish)
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Well, that was the product of "2am after coming home from the bar" activity. Not too bad considering that. 1. The part about running it on the whole news tree every 5-10min was a joke (normally I would just give a code fragment instead of a whole (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish)
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(...) Yikes! -- Kevin, surely you jest! :) Problems with the general approach above: * Iterates over tens of thousands of files every few minutes, rewriting each one whether it needs to or not. Doesn't track which articles have and have not yet been (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish)
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(...) <SNIP> Hmmm... Here's an idea. If I'm talking about set #295 instead of my bowling score, I could type "...telephone from :295: is my favorite....". Just a random thought... Charles (25 years ago, 11-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish, lugnet.admin.database)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) Here's another idea! How about using a spacer GIF image as the link?! 8x5 pixels is probably big enough. Tell people that they can click on the "space" after a set# to look it up. You do this for all suspect (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish, lugnet.admin.database)
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That's a great idea! I would love to see this! How about detecting any three or four digit numbers and linking them to the search page. just run this every 5-10 min.: #!/bin/sh filetmp1=/tmp/hypertmp1 filetmp2=/tmp/hypertmp2 filelist=/tmp/hyperlist (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish)
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I don't think it would be sloppy at all. I think the benifit of being able to reference a set would vastly outweigh the cases where people are talking about their 1998 corvette. Besides, it would be a subtle reminder to stay topical. It might be a (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish, lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) I was contemplating doing something similar a couple weeks ago when MikeS was talking about how much he used the search box... Rather than just giving a link into the DB, it really ought to (if it could) give a thumbnail and the set's data (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish, lugnet.admin.database)
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I was copy pasting URL to Lugnet set database onto my email client when I realized how HANDY it would be if all LEGO set numbers are automatically shown as hotlinks to the lugnet set database! So, you'll be reading a Lugnet posting, and the author (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: Fun with JAVA
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(...) HTML crashing netscape....... Big Chaos manor Onion to them ;) (...) That would probably be the problem. The typical crashing java applet tends to be the home-crafted (by someone else, though) kind. Jasper (25 years ago, 9-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: markup syntax for member pages
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(...) Yeah, we're both hardcore computer geeks -- although he's gone back to school now to complete his graduate studies in ecology. Over the past 20 years he's taught me most of what I know about programming and design, so I try to give back what I (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Way To Do It. I've used the Image::Size module for a while now. It's a more generalized tool, using an OO interface to the image info. (It was in fact derived from wwwis.) One place it can be found: (URL) use it to automagically generate the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: markup syntax for member pages
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(...) [...] (...) cool. -Tim (25 years ago, 8-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: markup syntax for member pages
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(...) Ahh, I see...you're thinking in actual terms of a programming language. But this is a simple text-formatting thing, not a programming language. But even in terms of programming languages: much success can be had with a preprocessor which uses (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: markup syntax for member pages
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... >In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Moseley writes: >> But regardless, please don't mix meta types. I suppose it's worth noting that I'm very unlikely to be a user of this language, because I don't virtually emote (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I don't quite grok. By COBOL-style comments do you mean something in column 1 affecting the rest of the line? And if so, why do you feel it is bad to mix that with paired (open/close) constructs? Take C++ for example -- it offers two types of (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jul-99, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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