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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) I'm more and more thinking that there will be no real solution to the problem. A few solutions I could see which might work: 1. The US says, "**** you all, we're tired of this. You have 72 hours to evacuate the middle east and then we are (...) (23 years ago, 1-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) I, for one, could use some clarification here. I certainly had no intention of offending anyone of any culture or race or etc. I am for peace. I do not see myself as favoring either side in violence. If my "Romeo and Juliet" solution seemed in (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) Well, actually I reject the notion that desperation is not a factor in N.I. Peace is one issue, freedom is another. I am not sure I can condone a state of peace maintained at the expense of freedom and self-rule -- is one expected to be happy (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) I agree that desperation is an aspect of the Palestinian mindset, however, I really feel that the core of the Palestinian resistance is not acting out of desperation. It is acting out of pure desire for power, based on a power structure which (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) I agree that desperation is what is driving _most_ of the Palestinians. However, a small number have achieved positions of power (not really Arafat, though he certainly has some power) due to their ability to lead and incite rebellion. These (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Peace in the Mid-East?
[snip] (...) That is why I used an excerpt that contained its sorce reference. (...) Arab propaganda. Not all Arabs (Palestinians) fled Israel in 1948, because they did not belive the silly things that the dictators tell them. (like the Saudi-Arabia (...) (22 years ago, 17-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
(...) Look at Israel’s history since ’47. Look at the current conflict. Do you think Sharon sent in the army and imposed a virtual press blackout with a plan to drink sweet tea, hand out fruit and talk peace? Really? The Palestinian's agree it (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conflict in the Middle East
Y'know, these ad hominem attacks are quite annoying. Do y'all think you improve understanding of a pointedly pro-Israel perspective without providing any kind of REAL argument to favor your views? James' original assertions were tripe, practically (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: jumping to conclusions
(...) I said: "My views on human rights and international law, together with my understanding of recent middle-east history, leads me to sympathize with the Palestinian people, not with "PLO terrorists". I hope you understand the distinction between (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Canceled Lego Theme...?
(...) There's that word again. And here's another anecdote from my storied history: While in college I met a 20-year-old woman with Turner's syndrome; she had only a single chromosome, she never developed secondary sexual characteristics, and she (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Peace in the Mid-East?
(...) Arabs have been the dominant culture in “Palestine” for well over 1000 years (700ad?). However, as I understand it, that last Jewish kingdom in the M.E. ended in ~400-500BC - But I'm open to correction on that(!). Many cultures and (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Cease fire (was: Re: Peace in the Mid-East?)
(...) I happen to agree with this viewpoint.It's nice and tidy and has a nice absolute finality to it. No equivocating. But it has a big problem. It opens one up to questioning one's own motives. People who want to assail one's position will (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Cease fire (was: Re: Peace in the Mid-East?)
John, this is a rather unique record of the thread. For the record, I did not simply say I was "sympathetic with the Palestinians". I, in fact, said: "Although I do support the right of self defence, I am fundamentally a pacifist in nature. I (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Cease fire (was: Re: Peace in the Mid-East?)
(...) (Sorry about the butchered pasting): You: mean that I oppose the actions of both "PLO terrorists" and the Israeli > state. My views on human rights and international law, together with my > understanding of recent middle-east history, leads me (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Jenin
(...) killed number 23, Palestinians killed number 54, 22 of which were civilians. Israelis wounded number 75, Palestinians wounded number 220. 49 Palestinians are missing. FWIW, I didn't notice any great explanation in the delays insisted on by the (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Cease fire (was: Re: Peace in the Mid-East?)
(...) That's odd, it’s my understanding that it is against the law to fund raise for the IRA in the USA... I may be wrong(?). By "repressive governments", do you include those who imprison suspects without trial? Interestingly, the UK will not hand (...) (22 years ago, 1-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: jumping to conclusions
(...) They have a rock to move and no lever. There are lands that they believe are by rights theirs that the state of Israel has occupied for a long time. They want an Israeli withdrawl. They've tried many things including appeal to the world (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Peace in the Mid-East?
(...) You should have paid more attention in history class. This is not quite true. (...) Has all the land taken in '67 ever been offered back... I don't think so. (...) To a certain extent they are "oppressors". Check their human rights record! (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant (you've been warned) was Re: Peace in the Mid-East?
Let me begin my "pro-American" Rant by saying that I do truely love Canada, in my heart it is a very close second to the nation of my birth, so please do not construe my remarks as "anti-Canadian", as that is not how I intend them. But I certainly (...) (22 years ago, 14-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Does Political Correctness Kill?
(...) Thanks! I do get a warm fuzzy when you display your innate friendliness that way. :-) (...) Is this your way of claiming those nations score a perfect '10' on the human rights-o-meter? (...) All societies bear some of what I was calling evil. (...) (22 years ago, 2-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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