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    Re: New Web Page —Ed Jones
   (...) OK, who decides who needs to be armed? By what criteria? And armed to what extent? Not everyone in the (...) FYI, check your facts - New York's "tough anti gun laws" have resulted in a direct reduction of crime, a direct reduction of murder (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
     (...) Self selected. By the criteria of being able to afford it. To whatever extent it takes. (personally I want star trek stunners too, and I'd put up some VC to get them if I had any) (...) Check yours. The reduction in violent crimes seems mostly (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —Duane Hess
      (...) *LOL* Larry, you do have a way with words (...) I do agree with you on the TLG reference though. Duane (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Popular society (Was: New Web Page) —Jeremy H. Sproat
      (...) Plus, he makes really really really cool Castle sets. (...) Sure, they're evil. But... Why is everyone scrambling to go see Star Wars? Why is everyone scrambling to buy the toys? To see the makeup jobs? To explore brave new possibilities for (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Popular society (Was: New Web Page) —Mike Stanley
      (...) I'm going to see the new SW movie for the same reason I went to see Jurassic Park - I dig cool special effects. Sure, I like the good vs evil aspect of it, but I never cared much for the "story" in the other three. I'm sure this one will be (...) (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —Ed Jones
     (...) The changes were brought about by initiatives begun during the Koch and Dinkins administrations - Rudy is just taking credit for it all. FYI - I like D infinitely better than R, but that's another subject (and if you really want to talk nasty (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
     (...) Debatable. But debating it puts me in an R defending position. No thanks, I'll pass. Politicians would take credit for the sun rising if they could. (...) No argument, R & D are both nasty. I just hope Carville and Matalin never have kids, (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —Ed Jones
      (...) Just to name two of the initiatives - Koch and Dinkins added 1000s of police to the force. The return of beat cops in "problem" neighborhoods. (...) No need to disagree - the quotes are there simply to reinforce the fact that we do not and (...) (26 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: New Web Page —Ed Jones
      (...) I forgot the most important point: Those transactions are completed 99% of the time via wire transfer from bank accounts - that is the reason that brokerages would be required to track the transactions. (26 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley
      (...) I wonder if a TN concealed carry permit would be honored in FL. Probably not, but worth checking into since we're planning another FL vacation. May be a non-issue since we're considering flying, though. May also be a non-issue if we drive, (...) (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks
      (...) It's also a non-issue because it's a felony to cross state lines with your weapon. At least that's how I understand it. (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley
      (...) Really? I will have to look that up now. If for no other reason than curiosity. I'm not sure I'm ready to accept that I can only exercise my 2nd ammendment rights within the confines of my own state. (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun
      (...) My father explained it thus, many moons ago: If you're going to be carrying firearms from one state into another, you have to obtain a license from all the states involved--wherever you'll be carrying the firearm. If the target area (pun (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
     On Fri, 14 May 1999 21:36:58 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) Big news here a few years back. High car-rental ratios there, and rental cars were easily identifiable. They changed the registration plates as a result, (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun
      Hi, Sorry, Ed, I've got one nitpick: (...) This statement is 100% dead wrong. Europe may have been "more civilized," but only because the idea of civilization was "that which is like Europe." The "world" was not--and in large part it was so because (...) (26 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley
   (...) The free citizens who are guaranteed the right to arm themselves make that decision for themselves. Probably sounds wacko in today's society, but I'd say let the people who want to own firearms do so and let those who don't want them not own (...) (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —James Brown
   (...) I've been trying to stay away from this thread, but I can't just let this slide by. I do not want to own a gun, but if I lived in an area where guns were commonly available (as in your suggestion above), I would likely need to get one. Why? (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley
     (...) So it is your belief that in areas with strict gun control laws criminals simply choose, out of fear of the law or something, to arm themselves with knives and baseball bats? (...) It would seem that your logic is completely faulty. It IS (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —James Brown
     (...) No, it is my belief that, in general, most criminals of the caliber likely to invade my home while I am there are neither stunningly intelligent or ambitious. As such, if guns are difficult to get a hold of, they are much less likely to have (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun
      (...) Seems to me that the ones who'll break in while you are there *and* in a fairly gun-free area are either blindingly stupid or--more likely--intelligent and armed. After all, they're the ones who aren't caught or killed, and they rob again and (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
      (...) It doesn't bother me much when the fatality is the invader. What DOES bother me in your (contrived (1)) scenario is all the little old ladies clubbed to death with baseball bats because they can't swing a big stick as well as a 6'2" 240 pound (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —James Brown
     (...) But the odds are as much in favor of the fatality being mine as anyone elses. If I'm involved in a violent crime, I would simply rather the chance of a fatality was slim or none. (...) Hm. I'm sorry, but the number of little old ladies who get (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks
   (...) If you live in the US (do you?) guns are readily available to criminals. When I was in highschool (roughly 1985-6) I was periferally associated with a group of kids who brought guns from Texas to Missouri and sold them to other kids at a huge (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —James Brown
   (...) I do not live in the US. Define 'readily available'. I can, with a certain amount of paperwork, go down to my local sporting goods store, or outdoor supplier, and pick up a hunting rifle or shotgun. I don't even know what I would have to do to (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
     (...) You're going to do what he says, huh? Even when he remembers that he forgot his mask, realises you probably ID'ed him very well (remember, you were pointing out how you'd be observing every detail, that's often a fairly noticable behaviour), (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —James Brown
      (...) As (...) Subject to circumstances, obviously. (...) And anyone who invades my home, without a mask, without having the minimal intelligence necessary to check if there is anyone home first, is not at the top of the food chain. I am confident (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —Steve Bliss
     (...) You don't need a gun for that -- no invader could ever *find* them. ;) Steve (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: New Web Page —John Neal
      (...) Unless they checked in his bed--(he sleeps with them ) (...) (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley
   (...) Ah, so there we have it. Canada. Now I understand. You guys have what, 2, maybe 3 people per square mile up there? Not enough people in one area to stir up the kind of trouble we have to deal with down here. :) (26 years ago, 20-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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