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Re: Christian morality (cont)
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Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:59:45 GMT
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Mr. Pieniazek,
Thanks for your interest. You recently interacted with an argument of mine
as follows:
> > Put another way, heterosexual sex brings with it the
> > possibility of procreation (however remote, or blocked
> > by contingent factors it is); homosexual sex cannot do
> > so even in principle.
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> This happens to turn out to not be actually true if one
> steps outside the human species. Further it's not true
> in principle for humans today, and as medical science
> continues to advance, soon it won't be true in actuality.
You won't hear me argue about morality for species other than human beings,
so the first point is irrelevant. I'm wondering how it isn't true in
principle for humans today, and as medical science continues to advance.
I'd be glad to learn more about that.
> If you are going to argue against homosexuality and
> against relationships as being "unnatural" you are first
> going to have to establish what "natural" is, and PROVE it,
> or else your argument is just a statement of preference.
> Is it one which you wish to impose on others, presumably
> by force once you've convinced a majority of the electorate
> to go along, or were you just letting us know what your
> preference was? Based on the christian track record I'd
> suggest the former is more likely.
As others have indicated, this question and any response belongs in a
separate thread. I'll make an effort at answering your concerns shortly, if
you'll look for it.
Thanks and take care,
Steve
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