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Re: Israel and the Palestinians
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Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:36:31 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Erik Olson writes:
> > Larry, I think you overestimate the Israeli's "rule of law". Sitting here on the
> > other side of the world, that looks like the weak link. I've always had canny
> > admiration for their prowess, but there's a little bit of thug on their side
> > too.
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> Good ref. Pournelle can be a bit of a maunderer at times, a bit
> militaristic, a bit high on himself, but he still has insight.
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> I take your point. Israel has definitely got themselves thinking that they
> are the Chosen People who can do no wrong and that they are always on the
> side of righteousness.
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> However I saw an interview this morning on the Beeb with the mayor of
> Jerusalem that drove home my perception that the media have it in for
> Israel, the presenter was asking the mayor "why do you fire on children" and
> similar loaded questions, and then not letting the mayor finish explaining
> how the hezbollah and the radical arms of the PLO deliberately use children
There are those with extreme views on the other side too Larry.
> to incite trouble, knowing that the media watch and knowing that the snipers
> and rocket grendade firing troops aren't as visible, and the Israelis come
> off seeing more heavy handed than they are. (which is a feat because they
> ARE heavy handed)... that presenter had made up his mind and wasn't going to
> listen to what the mayor said, just wanted to score his points on the Israelis.
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> My feeling here, which I will repeat, is that the UK in particular, as the
> proximate causers of this mess with their silly partitioning, ought to stay
> out of calling names. Unless they want to stand up and take responsibility
> for the messes they've caused, which as we've seen here, they're not willing
> to, they dodge away and point fingers elsewhere (and can you blame them, so
> does the US when the US is pointed out to not be perfect, but the UK with
> their partitioning caused more messes than anybody this century other than
> Stalin)
Yawn. Sure, the UK made mistakes in the past Larry. One could talk all day
about the cause of this Larry. However, that is not going to stop kids
getting shot at Larry.
Scott A
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> There is no easy answer to this, in an ideal world we'd hit rewind and do it
> all over again, but there is no such thing. Both sides have hardened into
> intractability. I still stick to my assertion that Israel is a lighter
> shade of gray than any of its neighbors (I never said white, never), but
> they're all pretty dark.
>
> ++Lar
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