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Re: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"?
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Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:58:30 GMT
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I did not really intend this to be a Palestinian V Israeli debate, that always
ends in looking levels of wrongness. However, if the current leader in Iraq or
the former leader of serbia were to use the same methods - how would that be
treated internationally? I wonder?
Scott A
BTW - I don't really accept that the whole of the world's media has what is
happening down your way wrong. If anything, the media here has been called pro-
Isreali of late.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shiri Dori writes:
> Oh dear. I knew it'd come to lugnet too sometime. I've had enough politics in
> the past three weeks to last a lifetime, but here goes anyway.
>
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > What the US (and others)
> > do independent of the UN is political mumbo jumbo all based on selfish gain.
>
> Maybe true. In fact, probably true.
>
> > Take what is happening in the middle-east right now. If the US were to
> > withdraw some of its dogmatic support for Israel - it would have ended
> > days/weeks/years ago.
>
> Oh my.
> Why *would*/*should* the US remove its so-called support for Israel?... huh.
> Have you really been seeing what's going on? I can tell you a little bit.
>
> Israel was all but ready to give the PLO about 90% of the land in the west
> bank. Barak even came forth with some sort of idea regarding Jerusalem. But
> Arafat was not ready for this. Letting Israel just give away the land would
> put Israel as "the good guys" in the world's eyes and Arafat did not want that
> (even though it's true to some extent). So the Palestinians turn the tables,
> riot here and there, throw stones, make it so Israel has to use force to stop
> them.
> Look, I could tell you a lot about what it really is to live in Israel. But
> think about this. What Barak did to stop the riots was necessary, so that Jews
> living in Israel aren't afraid to walk in the streets.
>
> The international media is doing a great job of twisting this all to make it
> seem like Israel is the "big bad guy", and I'm sorry to see people really
> think that way. The Palestinians could have had an independent country without
> using force and violence. But they've showed pretty clearly that they will NOT
> rest until Israel is wiped out.
>
> Yet the blame is put on Israel. Sorry but I just don't buy it.
>
> <deep breaths, Shiri, calm down>
>
> It's very easy to put the blame when you're sitting in a safe house in the UK
> or the US, watching people getting killed on TV (surely you saw the lynch of
> two reserve soldiers who happened to take the wrong turn?). It's quite another
> thing when your best friends see signs saying "Death to Jews" in the nearest
> town, and your sister is afraid to take the bus or cab to get to the
> university where she studies. Oh well. It's your right to blame whoever you
> want. But if the US removes what little support it's giving .il right now,
> that will give the Palestinians yet more legitimation to keep on with the
> violence.
>
> <exhale>
>
> Sorry, but this stuff hits close to home, literally. Can't help it, really.
>
> -Shiri
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