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| | | (...) Whoa there... Here's my take, not like anyone cares... :-) No one has a right not to be offended. If someone chooses to use language that is bigoted or demonstrates prejudice, as long as that person is not advocating the initiation of force, (...) (24 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) For the record, I got a chuckle out of Tom's post. (...) Knowing how kids (adolescents, really) are, isn't raising kids in an environment where racisim is embraced really the same as advocating the initiation of force? I think that parents who (...) (24 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | (...) Actually, I did too. :) I'm a very un-uptight (downtight?) person, so it was surprising to see such a visceral indictment of a post I made in a completely neutral mood--I think (and correct me on this if I'm wrong) that Tom believed I was (...) (24 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes: [snip] (...) even (...) slur. It was originally a slur, but it isn't now. Now it has just become a part of our language. It had never occurred to me that it was a slur before this came up. (...) (24 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Wow, that's an interesting angle. I'm not sure I have any pat answer there. What liability do parents have for their children's actions? After they are adults, most would say not much. But while they are kids? I dunno. (...) All of the above, (...) (24 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) expect (...) I want to point out that liability, in a legal sense, and responsibility in a pseudo-philosophical sense are different things. I agree that for practical reasons parents can't be held liable for actions of their adult children. On (...) (24 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Agreed. I should have said responsible instead of liable, as responsible is what I meant. (...) Gosh I hope not! It is hard to tell when one personally is getting a pass, or when one's close friends are (one's judgement is clouded a bit). Can (...) (24 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | It may be small beer, but after more than a decade of PC crap, you can still drown in it. I thought we had mostly gotten past the PC Cop stage in the world in general. One place I did not expect to see it, nor WANT to see it, was on Lugnet. Lugnet (...) (24 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hmm.. you raise an interesting dilemma. I've never considered myself PC. Far from it, in fact. Yet I dislike use of certain words. How to reconcile it? The PC crowd wants to prevent use of them dejure, or so it seems to me. I merely ask that (...) (24 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) He-hee! I think I misread this the first time you mentioned it, and I was really confused. I thought: "Gee, I'm 'not offended' many times a day--I'd hate for someone to take that away from me!" **grammar geek warning*** I suppose I was failing (...) (24 years ago, 17-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) seeing (...) Point taken, that isn't the greatest construct, is it? Can you offer a rewrite that conveys the desired meaning (there may be things that you find offensive out there, and if you encounter them, you might indeed be offended by (...) (24 years ago, 17-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Jason Catena
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| | | | | | | | (...) Maybe how Voltaire said it, which is as far from political correctness as I think you can get. "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it." To me, this allows that racism and bigotry (...) (24 years ago, 17-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: PCisms (was :Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | Christopher Weeks wrote in message ... (...) Even (...) there. (...) are (...) a (...) practical (...) On (...) up (...) of (...) or (...) as (...) American (...) somewhat (...) the (...) I agree with the above. For 99.9999% of parents out there, (...) (24 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Tom Stangl
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| | | | "Hell in a handbasket" - sorry, there is no way in HECK I am going to censor that phrase, as it is a widely known phrase that really loses most of its' meaning as "heck (or Heavenly Challenged for you PC Dorks) in a handbasket". I'm sorry, but there (...) (24 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Steve Bliss
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| | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl mentioned: (...) Side rant, triggered by Tom's casual example, but not having much relevance to the current thread (hey, this is .o-t): As I understand, there used to be prejudice against left-handed people. (...) (24 years ago, 18-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | (...) Indeed. I was startled to find out that my SO (age 43) was forced to use his right hand to write with instead of his left in elementary school by having his hands beaten with a ruler if he used the wrong one! The effects still show in his (...) (24 years ago, 18-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) Sinister one might even say (for a very good example of the thinking of "left" as bad). And of course right handed is good (dexter). One supposed explanation of why left handed is bad is if you think about troops in a shield wall, and how (...) (24 years ago, 18-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Only if the rest of the wall is made up of those goofy right-handers I keep hearing about! On the other hand (!) to use another period example, a lefty fighting his way up a spiral staircase would be at an advantage, since such stairways (...) (24 years ago, 18-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I always thought it was because the left hand was the primordial "wiping hand"--most people preferring the right meant that one had to keep it clean. This may of course be apocryphal. I'm a lefty in writing only--I favour my right for (...) (24 years ago, 18-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) You know, I never though much about this, but I pitch right and bat left - I'm sure that confused people in grade school ;-) Strangely enough, a LOT more than 10% of the people I know are left-handed. Something about my interests in general (...) (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Me too, I play baseball right handed, but I play hockey left handed. Similarly, I fire a handgun with my right hand and a rifle with my left hand. I think that's because my left eye is dominant. It'd be kinda hard to fire a rifle right handed (...) (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Undeniably, but the ascending lefty's disadvantage wouldn't be as great an ascending rightie would have fighting up those same steps. (...) I’m scandalized! No lefty would ever attempt such an un-chivalrous ploy! Dave! (...) (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I've heard that as well. It was related to cultures with strong feelings/tradition around 'clean' and 'defiled', I seem to remember. (...) "I admit it--your are a better swordsman than I." "Then why are you smiling?" "Because I know something (...) (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | Ah, but the defenders coming DOWN would be better off being right-handed - so I guess you'd start hating southpaws if you were defending ;-) (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal (...) (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think you hit it right on the head--unless I'm mistaken, that's one of the reasons such staircases were built that way. Dave! (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Are you sure? I've been to many castles - living in Britain you can't really avoid it... and I am certain that I've seen both types of spirals around and about :) Richard (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Maybe you were dyslexic on those apparently clockwise staircases. 8^) Or the defenders fought their way UP the clockwise staircases and DOWN the counterclockwise. Or maybe the lefthanded defenders fought on the clockwise steps... Hmm... Now (...) (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | (...) :) How do you define clockwise? Does that mean going up, the pillar will be on your right, and the outer wall on your left? If so, I can definately remember some of them - its the ones where the central pillar is on the left as you walk up (...) (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Now you're just confusing me. By "clockwise" I've been (consistently, I hope!) referring to those stairs that have the central pillar on the right, since the steps spiral clockwise upwards. I think... Dave! (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | (...) I have a friend who went to a Catholic school. They tied his left hand behind his back for years because they said it was satanic. I believe they get this from the Biblical references to Jesus sitting on the right hand of God; metaphorically, (...) (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) I would have to say, speaking entirely theoretically, of course, that if there is a god and he IS a christian god, implying that there is a christian heaven, you'd certainly qualify. :-) So don't worry about bad PR from the PR contingent. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Thank you very much, I'm sincerely honored that you would say such a thing. (...) :-) (...) It means that I do woodworking, joinery and refinishing in the homes of people who recently purchased furniture from all the major retailers in Miami. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) the (...) Why, that, of course(1). Why, what did you think I thought you meant? :-) 1 - or leather. We had the leather guy over when we lived in Parkland. ++Lar (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think I thought you were thinking thoughts that made you think unthinkable thoughts...I think. Bill :D (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | | | (...) LOL!! ROFL! I'm not touching that one with a 10ft ...pole... Kevin (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) :-) (...) Hey! Is that another ethnic slur? 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Mo, it's a compliment. Or a complement. You decide. FUT .o-t.fun ++Lar (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) I had no idea you were so tall! Dave! (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) We were talking about height? !! ? erm... never mind. I was talking about circumference. After all, where did you think the phrase "bloated capitalist" came from? ++Lar (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) I thought that referred a fat guy who carves the tops of architectural columns. Dave! (24 years ago, 20-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Ian Warfield
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| | | | | | (...) Tell your critics to check out the story of Ehud the Left-Handed (Judges 3:12- 30). God makes use of all kinds of people. Incidentally, the Hebrew language reads from right to left, so unless all the Israelites wrote backwards, they would have (...) (24 years ago, 21-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Manual pencil sharpeners, table settings, fast food fry scoops, older-style doorknobs, pens and pencils with writing on them, the vast majority of scissors, can openers (a la Simpsons), most water fountains, desks, paper cutters, most versions (...) (24 years ago, 18-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Ian Warfield
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| | | | | | (...) However, if you ever happen to find yourself travelling in Britain, rent yourself a car with a manual transmission. The stick shift will be on the left side. :D I've never had a problem with using a mouse with my right hand, though. In fact, I (...) (24 years ago, 21-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Yet Another Episode 1 Question —Tom Stangl
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| | | | (...) BINGO - my teachers tried to force me to write right-handed. They luckily gave up after a while, because my handwriting is bad enough left-handed, right-handed I might as well be scrawling Sanscrit. (...) Well, that's because <groaner> "we (...) (24 years ago, 19-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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