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(...) Must be tiring to spend so much time being offended. Nevertheless, unthinkable as it may be, there are those that value among their freedom oriented aspirations to be 'free of American influence'. So highly in fact, that they would be prepared (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't say I took personal offense to it. (...) What an odd thing to say. What is "free of American influence"? Nothing. Are you claiming that there are those in this world that want to eschew all the influence of the US? Think what that (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) There it is--the inherent arrogance in the American system. "We got it right!" Yeah, low standards of education, addiction and seemingly perpetual addiction to fossil fuels and (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You gotta admit that you are contributing factor: that big chip and inferiority complex you have only fossil-fuels the fire. :-) (...) Turn off your heater and say that again... :-) (...) And I suppose that perpetually screaming, "You got it (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I will definitely agree that Canada is as dependant on ff as most. However, we are working on lessening the environmental impact, vis a vis Kyoto and other such incentives. We don't have it 'right' yet, nor will we ever possibly attain (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not arrogance-- it's pride. I am proud that my country embraces Freedom and Democracy. We didn't invent those ideas-- we just embrace them. (...) Specious. (...) Yeah, and there is much sick and wrong with our culture. There is nothing (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That ditty sounds good, but it does not correlate well with the reality of Washington’s foreign policy “interventions” over the past 50 years. All too often democracy has been quashed and oppression supported. Scott A (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It would probably be helpful if the United States itself embraced those ideals, rather than simply claiming to embrace them. Dave! (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just enough to be holier than thou, I take it? :-) (...) So....you think I'm wrong? ;-) (...) "Oh, we have both kinds of chips on our shoulders here in Canada: arrogance and self-righteousness." Someone missed the joke.... :-) The greater (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To quote a twist of a famous quotation: "The devil is in the details". We try, and that is all we can do. The world should at least have the opportunity to try. JOHN (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would never presume such :) Here's an analogy--there are those who notice that the emperor has no clothes and think to themselves, "Well, that emperor is pretty dense to be walking around without any clothes--look at how much better I am (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem is not the analogy, but your misconception that you are the second guy in that example. (...) No, I'm just teasing you...well, and illustrating your constant fault-finding. . (...) And I really didn't mean that to apply to all (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Boy I hate when that happens--get a perfectly good tirade going and something happens with IE! Grr!!! Anywho, this time without the frothing (well, probably not...) (...) I am the second guy. Because you chose to misinterpret my intentions, doesn't (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not questioning your intentions at all - I am trying to bring to your attention the consistently strident, holier-than-thou attitude that undermines the often quite valid points you have to make. Moving back up here after reading through (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <chuckle> That's cute. Its offensive but you're not personally offended? What are you, publicly offended? Its offensive to others, but more enlightened folks such as yourself are not offended? <chuckle some more> Really. (...) There are some (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't think I was, but if your interpretations of my writing style is 'holier than thou', I shall endeavour to rephrase. As it stands, my interpretations of your debating technique in this thread are--you're firmly ensconsed in what you (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From (URL) I think that in the case of the [Bush] administration, they really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay - now, I've deleted all that preceeded this paragraph above because it indulges in everything you just disavowed. There, a clean slate. If you want to go back into the particulars, I'll be only too happy to shoot you down yet again. :-O (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It isn't the height of arrogance to claim that anymore than it is the height of arrogance to claim we don't have it right. That is -->Bruce<--'s point. That is also the problem with moral relativism, but I digress. Getting back to "we've got (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wasn't really addressing your claim of whether we have it right or not. We do have some things right (democracy, freedom of the press, separation of church and state, freedom to move, freedom to leave) most of the time, and there are some (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The examples of the things we have right are theories-- the examples of things we don't are specifics in trying to apply those theories. Of course we aren't perfect, but we have the perfect blueprint of government-- namely Freedom and (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, I am not advocating a tyrany of the majority, I'm saying that is the practical outcome. It recognizing what the difference between what you might want, and what you get. -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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