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Subject:	Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:28:46 GMT
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Please, people, maybe I don't catch this stuff, but paraphrasing and hinting on a subject where some people have no clue, I think you better state, clearly, what you are talking about. Man, it is like trying to dissect what Bill Clinton is lying about, he always does it, you can't seem to figure out what he is saying, either. Scott S. "Moz (Chris Moseley)" wrote: > > Sproaticus <jsproat@io.com> wrote > > It's funny how, when the topic of state executions comes up, so does the > > word "black". > > I would not descibe it as "funny", myself. > > But then I live in a country where genocide is legal. Not just legal, in fact, > but government policy. Sorry, I meant "not current government policy, but > definitely a policy of the past which we see no need to apologise for". > > I remain astounded, > Moz -- Scott E. Sanburn CADD Operator, CADD Systems Administrator Affiliated Engineers, Inc. Ann Arbor, MI Work Page: http://www.aeieng.com/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/~legoguy712/index.html Lego Page: http://www.geocities.com/~legoguy712/legoindex.html “The more people I meet, the more I like my Lego collection.”

Message has 26 Replies:

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
(...) I can explain it for you, once we all agree upon the definition of "for". :-P It's a scary statistic that there are more, ahh, minorities on death row in the U.S. than there are, ahh, majorities. I'm hinting at the various social and economic (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
(...) Get close, get really, really close.... OK? Maybe <shrudder> there are more "minorities" committing capitol crimes than "majorities", whatever that means. (...) Is this a fact, is it somewhere on the web, or do you have references for actual (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Capital Punishment: Race issues
(...) That goes under the imperfect sentencing. I think all sentencing should be the same, regardless of race, color, etc. If it isn't, there is a problem and it should be dealt with in that manner. I am for equal punishment under the law. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
Jeremy, (...) I don't look into race numbers and statistics too much, because a good deal of people look at it way too much, IMHO. I don't care what the numbers are, frankly, like I said before, I don't care what race or color, etc. you are, if you (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
Jeremy, (...) I have seen this argument many times, in many forms, thank you. I can ignore them know because the numbers do not tell the whole story. Just because there is a greater percentage of minorities committing crimes that have capitol (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
(...) Like what? (...) I don't care what color they are. If they do the crime, pay the consequences, no matter what color of skin or what their ancestry is. (...) If they are there. (...) Lots of reasons. Why do people commit crimes? Why is the sky (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
<37D579AE.FA77EFEA@aeieng.com> <37D57E07.BB4E2546@io.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From one point of view, I see two people facing each other and having a conversation. On the surface they seem to (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
Folks, I don't care why. Why is for endless arguments about how bad people have it, and how we need more money, more programs, etc. I don't do criminal activities, because I know it is wrong. If it is not being taught to people, minorities, etc. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
(...) I have, and I said in a few posts yesterday, thank you very much, that there should not be any dissimilar sentencing. It should all be the same, regardless of skin color, etc. Nor do I favor any lesser sentencing because you are a minority. Do (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Disparicies in Sentencing WAS:(Misperceptions of America)
Due to Larry's e-mail, and others confusion in this issue, here is where I stand. 1) If there is (I have seen a few, going either way) inconsistencies in sentencing, based on color, there should be none. I favor reform in terms of sentencing (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
<37D6918F.6EADE205@aeieng.com> <37D720C5.F27FD776@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Amen. It just raises my ire when someone is forced into some action because some First Amendment Nazis (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Disparicies in Sentencing WAS:(Misperceptions of America)
(...) Hey, I am confusing to just about everyone, it is a special gift! :) (...) Yes, that is how I feel. (...) DWB- Driving While Building? Very dangerous! :) (J/K) Seriously, I don't think it is right to target anyone, at anytime, for anything, (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
<37D72389.74A66C33@io.com> <FHu88B.8It@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I believe that killing abortion doctors is no worse than killing random strangers. Actually, I have rather more (...) (25 years ago, 10-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
Chris, (...) What does this have to do with private institutions? (...) I am sorry, but I think hate crime legislation is very wrong. How can you hate anyone anymore than by taking his life? It it worse to kill a room full of Jewish people than a (...) (25 years ago, 10-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
<37D72389.74A66C33@io.com> <FHu88B.8It@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I'm not following you here, Moz. To me, when I say discrimination by a private individual, what I am referring to is (...) (25 years ago, 10-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
All praise Larry! ;) I think we are the exact same wavelength, here, Larry, but you seem to articulate it better than I! Scott S. Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snipped Larry's excellent discussion for brevity> (25 years ago, 10-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
<37D72389.74A66C33@io.com> <FHu88B.8It@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Whoa whoa whoa. I was talking about expression, not homicide. My right to express myself extends as far as it (...) (25 years ago, 10-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
John, Cute, John, Really cute! :) Scott S. (...) (25 years ago, 10-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

		Killing (was: Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing))
<37D91372.E6E0B943@aeieng.com> <FHvtH0.G4z@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I would like to hear why killing animals is hard to defend. Given what premises? --Chris (25 years ago, 11-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
<37D91476.CE6058F6@voyager.net> <FHvuvH.H9D@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Taxes are pretty public. Should they be nondiscriminatory? (...) Arguably, speeding isn't a crime since there (...) (25 years ago, 11-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
<37D9198D.F509D002@aeieng.com> <FHwp1p.2Kn@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) A lot of the readership here is convinced I am delusional. Don't make it worse! I doubt very much that your (...) (25 years ago, 11-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
Chris, (...) You totally dodged my question! Is killing a person an example of total hatred or not? So it is better to kill someone that you don't "hate"? Crimes are crimes, and as far as I am concerned, crimes are an example of hatred, period. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
<37DD088D.9D2803F1@aeieng.com> <FI07E8.I3A@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) me too (...) Agreed. I think constitutional amendments are needed for LARGE issues (like giving the vote to (...) (25 years ago, 13-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
(...) Just to clarify, I was speaking of just citizenry, and everyday life. The military and soldiers is a totally different arena. The military trains you not to feel "bad" about killing people, it is one of your duties, if you are ordered so. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
(...) I TRY to make it shorter. :) (...) I agree as well. (...) Oh, come on, Larry, I am not that bad, am I? ;) (...) Yes, I agree also. (...) I agree with the public schools and mandated prayer (not good), having a moment of silence or whatever is (...) (25 years ago, 13-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
Just doing my part, John! :) Scott S. (...) My constant enjoyment of life! (...) Yeah, it will just be peachy! :) (...) Here's another one: "Doing my part to enrage the atheist left." Have a great day! (25 years ago, 15-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
Sproaticus <jsproat@io.com> wrote (...) I would not descibe it as "funny", myself. But then I live in a country where genocide is legal. Not just legal, in fact, but government policy. Sorry, I meant "not current government policy, but definitely a (...) (25 years ago, 4-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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