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Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
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Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:06:58 GMT
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Naji Norder wrote:


I've read and heard so much about soldiers being able to "kill without thought"
that I can't agree with this completely.  If you don't have any morals, then
you might not have to "hate" to kill.

Just to clarify, I was speaking of just citizenry, and everyday life. The
military and soldiers is a totally different arena. The military trains you not
to feel "bad" about killing people, it is one of your duties, if you are ordered
so.

I'm not implying, of course, that people
who don't mind killing others should get away with it.  I'm just saying that
some crimes might not involve hate.

I am just saying "hate crimes" are totally wrong headed. Punish the crime, not
the thoughts.

Also, if a soldier can be trained to do
it, then anyone might do it.

Of course.


I'm not a fan of the thought police myself.  Consider this: there has been much
debate about banning the burning of the US flag.  However, in all of this, they
never mention that it is and would continue to be fine to burn it in retirement
ceremonies.  I've been to those myself in Boy Scouts.  We all gather around a
great pyre, and salute a flag that has served its duty well, as it is burned.
After all, the only two ways to properly dispose of a flag is to burn it or
bury it.  This is why I can't agree with any "flag burning" amendment.  If you
can burn it out of respect, but it is made illegal to burn it out of contempt,
then you are being prosecuted based on your thoughts.

I don't like anyone burning the flag, but it is a first amendment issue, and one
I feel, cannot be held up. It is unconstitutional to ban burning it. I know how
veterans are distressed, I would be as well, but there will always be
malcontents in society, one thing I have learned to deal with.


There has been news recently of a few Native Americans charged in a hate crime
of killing a white person.  Not exactly what you are speaking about, but close.

Interesting. You don't here that on the news, I can't imagine why (a left-wing
bias, perhaps?) I still think it is bad law. Prosecute them as murderers, not
illogical thinkers! I think racism is very ignorant, but if you want to think
that way, that's your problem. If you act on it, be prepared to face the
consequences!


Naji

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  Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
 
(...) Heh, that's a helluva understatement. Rather than say the military trains soldiers not to feel "bad" about killing the enemy (they're not people), I'd say we were trained to enjoy, even long for doing it. Luckily, a lot of that brainwashing (...) (25 years ago, 13-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
 
(...) I must imagine so. I just wanted to make certain that killing a person is totally different when you are a soldier, and that they have training for that. I have the highest regards for the armed services, I am glad they are there! Murder is (...) (25 years ago, 13-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
 
(...) crime (...) close. (...) I -did- hear this one on the news.. It was on National Public Radio News the other morning. It likely didn't make your local news, though. It didn't make ours either, but then, if it did, they would have to cut some of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
 
(...) Interesting, I have the same feeling about most of what you utter as well. Anyway, lets look into it. (...) That is one of the things that the military expects from you. If you don't like it, don't be in the military. Murder, whether at war, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
 
Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <37DFA51E.EF0A5623@v...er.net>... (...) That was a cheap trick on Sproat's part. Without actually coming out and saying it, he got Scott to say it. So its cheating, no doubt about it, and Sproat loses (anyway, I (...) (25 years ago, 15-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
 
<37DF8CDA.DA847F05@aeieng.com> <37DFA51E.EF0A5623@voyager.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I agree. I'll bite. :-, (...) Well, sure, I mentioned the Nuremburg Defense, true, but! It was well (...) (25 years ago, 15-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
 
Sproaticus wrote: <snipped how Jeremy is so pleased with himself> Whatever. I thought about responding to this inane reply, but why bother? I certainly think you dodged around enough of my points, and threw in irrelevant items that had nothing to do (...) (25 years ago, 16-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Voluntary, private discrimination (Was: Disparicies in Sentencing)
 
(...) Larry, I don't think you could ever really annoy me, I have been saying go Larry to much on your responses, even with the pink elephants. :) (...) Oh, it does go around. I get frustrated with unnecessary tangents, ones in which Jeremy seems to (...) (25 years ago, 16-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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  Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep)
 
Please, people, maybe I don't catch this stuff, but paraphrasing and hinting on a subject where some people have no clue, I think you better state, clearly, what you are talking about. Man, it is like trying to dissect what Bill Clinton is lying (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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