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some excerpts from. (URL) senior leadership decided last month to send irregular paramilitary units across their border with Iraq to harass American soldiers once Saddam Hussein's regime fell, according to U.S. intelligence reports. "This confirmed (...) (21 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you could get a little comfort from thinking how accurate U.S. intelligence reports on WMD have been. ROSCO (21 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) (Warning: turn your sarcasm detector off now - it may overload) Eureka! Now I understand! Turkey not helping the US probably costs thousands of innocent civilian lives? Of course! Now (...) (21 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Excuse me sir, can you tell me the way to the Chinese embassy? Surely you must have an A-to-Z? ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean they have no right to self-determination? Even Scotland has its own parliament these days! (...) What about the USA? Who does it sell/give guns 'n' bombs to? (...) No mention of the USA's tactics? What was Pakistan to get for its (...) (21 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey Richie, you failed to mention Oz! ;) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Correct! I didn't want to boast about how many civilian lives we were saving by helping the US. It might have made the New Zealand readers feel bad. Cheers Richie (21 years ago, 5-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Patriotism (war time illness) made you blind Larry? Or is this somebody else messaging here using Larry's name? Everybody knows which country supported most both Saddam (against Iran) and Bin Laden (against Russians). (...) Turkish voting of (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shh! You’ll scare the children. Just imagine the mess at the "trial" of either of these guys if they are ever caught! Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tend not to trust what wanted war criminals have to say about countries their army has invaded for the sake of territorial expansion. See: Syria rejects Israel weapons claim (URL) Sharon emphasised in his remarks to Israel's Channel Two (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) oorr.. perhaps they don't want the US army so close to their border.. hmm? And what exactly is the USA doing in the area? removing a government hostile to us, and replacing it with one friendly. Iran is interesting in doing the same thing. How (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) US diplomatic ineptitude cannot be discounted, but the main reason we are hearing here for the Turkish parliament voting the way they did is pressure from Germany and, especially, France, in the form of a threat to block Turkey joining the EU. (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, not exactly a democracy. You may want to do a little more research. For starters, see this article, particularly the illustration of how power actually works: (URL) entire special report that this is a part of is quite good. (...) Yup. No (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, is there a similar report that doesn't have a cost to view? Frank (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er, whoops. I'm an Economist subscriber (print edition) so it's no cost to me. But the point of the article, and the diagram in particular, is that Iran is more of a theocracy that has some elected (but basically powerless) appendages, than a (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the most basic element of democracy is that the people decide how they want their government to work. in 1981, when US backed Saddam invaded their country, people signed up en masse to give their lives for their country. Of course, it is easy (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which of course has no bias... (...) But NPR is not biased toward the US, if anything, it's biased against, and has the same information, so what IF the Economist is biased in favor of economic systems that actually work and against ones that (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip** (...) A careful distinction must be drawn here, because "bias" is a label thrown around here somewhat indiscriminately lately. Is The Economist biased against economic systems that don't work, or is The Economist biased against (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) this isn't a discussion about economic systems.. but if i recall correctly, Iran is feeding, clothing, and housing most its people.. any other economic information is arguable at best. the Economist, i assume.. i don't nor plan to read it (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What a great post! A reminder about the debating definition of bias. Personally, I don't believe that any source of information should ever be disqualified or ignored (philosophically/historically - i have neither the time nor wish to read every (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never saw such news in any part of the media during the period. It should be another case of intentional disinformation, either in your country or mine. Having both Fox News/CNN and NTV/Haber Turk (national news channels), and watching them (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would not be so quick about declaring Iran as democracy. Do you know anything about how "oppressive" Islam can be? I don't think any "Islamic Republic" can be mentioned as a democracy of any kind. ý don't think any gowernment based on (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually I just learned from a previous post that you are a "booklet historian(1)" but I strongly agree on that one, and I wonder why an average American cannot see that one as obviously as any other non-American can see. US always declaring (...) (21 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The modernisers in Iran were gaining serious ground until Bush came along with his "axis of evil" nonsense. Scott A (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, you obviously haven't been paying attention. Didn't you hear that the US is fulfilling a divine charter to establish our version of correctness wherever we feel our politico-economic interests may reside? We're on the side of the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Much snippage.. (...) Nothing's changed my view on that: (URL) Iran is a threat to peace everywhere, democracy or not. Nothing's changed my view on that either: (URL) (older but good) (URL) (today) (Note that pointing out that they're not the only (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Selçuk! Where have you been, man? I haven't seen you around here for some time. Good to see you haven't vanished. best LFB (20 years ago, 14-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hope he hasn't either but you're replying to a post that's 9 months old, you know... I just found that particular Iran thread and reanimated it, because I wanted to reply to a particular post I recall making. (20 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think we all know who the biggest threat to "world peace" right now is. Just like we know which country played a big part in 911. Don't allow yourself to be distracted by the media... or even life on mars! Scott A (20 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm here guys..:-) not vanished yet. Actually quite alive and kicking. Just not have enough time since I got that new job/position since september 2001. I'm still lurking around though, from time to time. I might be catching up and restart in (...) (20 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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