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ironic [Re: Ticket prices going up]
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Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:27:57 GMT
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> As for doing away with ot-d, I wouldn't equate terseness with wanting to see
> the group abolished. I made my aspirations and desires w.r.t. ot-d (and for
> all of LUGNET(tm), for that matter) clear in this post:
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> http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=18612
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> and if you look at how discussion on it went, especially that one REALLY
> long branch in the tree, the points I made that were questioned in the
> beginning of the thread were sort of self proven by the end, wouldn't you say?
Has the "end" been reached? ;)
I expect I’m not alone in finding your comments rather ironic. Much of the
discussion I am having with David has centred on whether or not I give adequate
justification for statements I make.
Lets look at your first intervention in this very thread:
“I would refer you to posts about red light cameras made here... these
cameras aren't always right, and need to be stopped, they're bogus. Worse,
they're encouraging authorities to tinker with the light timings to
manufacture more transgressors as a revenue enhancement opportunity,
incidentally causing a lot more rearend accidents than the T-bones that are
prevented.”
I have scanned previous posts on this issue, and [amongst the opinion] I can
find no evidence that:
a) “these cameras aren't always right”
b) “they're encouraging authorities to tinker with the light timings to
manufacture more transgressors as a revenue enhancement opportunity”
c) or are “causing a lot more rearend accidents than the T-bones that are
prevented”
As few technologies are perfect, I expect “a” is true. As for the others, I
suppose we'll have to wait for clarification.
> Given that we (I mean we USians, not you Canadians or Brits, you don't have
> rights explicitly as we do) have a right to peacably assemble and a right of
> free movement,
Really? Did you miss this thread:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=17850
I'll also remind you that in recent times public protests have caused at least
one *elected* UK Prime Minister to resign, and other protests have brought the
UK to a standstill. Could that happen in the US?
> isn't the state monopoly on roads and the monopoly on
> regulation thereof a bit worrisome? At least to those that mistrust the
> state's motives and intent, anyway? If we can be denied the ability to drive
> and also the ability to walk alongside a public road, how are we to exercise
> that right of free movement? It's one thing for a landowner not to allow me
> to cross his land, but when it's the state hemming me in and preventing me
> from using a road (public property, mind you) that I in part paid for, I get
> a lot more worried.
Interestingly, in the country where I live I have the freedom to pretty much go
where I like as long as I don't cause any damage [or hunt/fish]. "Trespassing"
is not an offence. This is pretty good as it means I can pretty much camp or
hike anywhere I like in the Scottish countryside… in the summer. ;)
I understand that the law is the same in Finland where wild berry picking
[whilst avoiding bears] is major summer activity.
Scott A
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| (...) In Norway, too. To put it simple, you can more or less walk and camp whereever you want, as long as it is in a fair distance from houses where people live, and as long as you are not a disturbance. You must alsot avoid disturbing live stock. (...) (22 years ago, 23-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I'm not scared, I'm not apprehensive, I'm just busy. Not SO busy that I wasn't willing to toss one post in, but busy enough that I wanted to keep it short. It's a large topic, it's been visited before, etc. As for doing away with ot-d, I (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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