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Re: Ticket prices going up
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Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:40:32 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> David Koudys wrote:
> > What did the camera do, exactly, to cause these accidents?
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> Larry didn't say the cameras cause accidents. He said the use of the
> cameras causes accidents.
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> One the one hand, I see the appeal of a totally automated ticketting
> system. On the other hand, I wonder who is going to apply human
> judgement. What do you do about the ticket you got for exceeding the
> speed limit because you saw a car hurtling out of a side road, and
> decided the best way to avoid an accident was to speed up? Also, what
> speed limit do you travel at if you will get a ticket for exceeding the
> speed limit by 1 mph/kph?
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> When a ticket is issued by a real person, the real person has the option
> to not issue the ticket based on a judgement call (for example not
> issuing you a ticket for going 1mph over the limit while you are dodging
> cars going 20 mph over the limit). You also have the opportunity to
> justify your action to the officer (I noticed the driver of the car I
> just passed drinking a beer, and decided the SAFEST place was to be
> AHEAD of him [sure, you could slow down, but you still have increased
> danger when you come across the accident, whereas if you speed up 10mph
> and pass him, at get a mile or two ahead, you are no longer in any
> danger from him]).
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> I wish cops would spend more time ticketing dangerous maneuvers
> (including the little old lady travelling 30 mph in the left lane and
> the guy weaving in and out of rush hour traffic) and less on nailing
> someone going 10mph over the limit on a deserted highway. I'd rather see
> drunk drivers get more than 8 days in jail...
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> Frank
On this I completely concur--DUI has to be the thing that gets my blood in a
boil the most.
Traffic weavers are also something I have mentioned that the cameras could
and should help catch. It's not the 10 kph crowd I'm having a holy tirade
against--it's the idiots in the SUV's and anything German, that feel they
own the roads--using off/on ramps as passing lanes, doing 160 in and out of
traffic. But where does one draw the line? If I say that you won't get
ticketed until you do 130ish, then why is the speed limit 100? And what
happened to the word 'limit'?
Someone in my little IS department has been nabbed by a red light camera
many times over the time he has worked with me (at least 4 times in 2
years). He has had these camera tickets overturned each and every time. So
yeah, there are flaws in the system, and there are ways of getting Justice,
and not depending totally on a machine.
I wasn't quoting Larry directly this time, but the article linked a long
time ago (the last time this issue was raised) said in the title (iirc) "Red
Light Cameras Cause Accidents." That's what I was remembering.
And if someone sees that a light has turned yellow, has enough time to stop
safely, but proceeds anyway, and the light turns red even before he reaches
the intersection, and he drives right thru, but there is no officer around
to see it (for we don't have the peoplepower to watch every intersection),
then where's the harm in putting a red light camera up? We're just billing
the driver for the priviledge of driving thru a red. Yes, instead of
thinking of these things as 'breaking the law', let us instead think of
these things as 'paying for the priviledge to do these things'. If you have
the money, the inclination, and love the risk of getting in an accident, go
right ahead. Don't pay these 'bills' and you wont get the priviledge of
driving for very long.
Dave K
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| (...) Just to poke in again for a minute... I don't consider traveling by common conveyance a "privilege" (at least it should be considered a right in my view). One should be able to travel as a matter of right unless specific damages caused by one (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Larry didn't say the cameras cause accidents. He said the use of the cameras causes accidents. One the one hand, I see the appeal of a totally automated ticketting system. On the other hand, I wonder who is going to apply human judgement. What (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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