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(...) *Everyone* in the PA??? (...) I don't deny that there are extremist Israelis who hold this view, but the overwhelming majority *DO NOT*, and thus your statement is patently false and egregiously provocative. Anyone who really believes in (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have already! (...) Who wrecked Oslo / Oslo II? Why? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? I suggest you take your tape measure and head over to the Sinai Pennisula and start taking measurements... (...) Then explain the Camp David Agreement. Israel *can* be reasonable, *does* want peace, and have *proven* this. The PA is (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Defend your allogation. About what "power" specifically are you speaking, or was it merely a Liberal throw-away? -John (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for your rather disruptive input, but I've no intention of joining in your mudslinging. [BTW: I'm not anti-American, I'm pro-justice - understand the difference]. (...) How ironic; I note you have chosen to sling mud rather than address (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heck, I ignore Scott, but judging by the flurry of responses, he won't do me the same favor. He wants and craves attention. Ignoring him is still the best option. He'll even pick up on long-distance, unstated twitting of his hypocritical (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem I have with this line of thinking is that everyone (here in the US anyway) seems way too sensitive to these sorts of things. I actually disagree with your thinking that there is nothing wrong with our overly PC approach to things. (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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We all need to respond to the issues raised, rather that insult each other. How come it's so busy here, I thought it was Thanksgiving yesterday? Scott A (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And it was so nice in here lately--things were debated, discussions happened, and there was almost a zen-like, albeit debatable discussions, in the land. Oh well, c'est la vie! Dave K. (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't agree with your view. The Israelis gave up a very small part of the land they stole a few decades ago - its legal owners want all of it back. In order to keep it, the Israelis [in the form of the rather heroic IDF] oppress all manner (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Give it rest. It's rather ironic that you don't see the irony in what you are saying. This sort stuff should be taken to e-mail. (...) Synopsis: You've admitted I was correct, and you were wrong. Furthermore; you're not happy about it. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Hear Hear! If people cannot undergo scrutiny of their belief system, then there is something wrong. The difference b/w scrutiny and all-out harassment is hard to determine, but (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be honest I wish you wouldn't post on LUGNET(tm) at all, you're somewhere between extremely low value add, and significant negative value add. Once in a while you come up with an outside cite of some limited value but by and large your own (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Quoting Scott A <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com>: (...) So how is this different than Israel, Scott? The Israelies already gave up some land. It is extremists in the PA (both elected and unelected) who are currently dragging their heels, and fanning the (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find that comment a little disingenuous. To be honest, I wish you would just ignore me. (...) As I said, "I don’t think I have ever made any link between the IRA and American-Christians or even Irish-Americans [whatever they are] (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've no problem with that. The problem is that over half of the population of NI are unionists. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, more denial from you. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *sigh* Even the PA recognises their right to exist. The Israeli agenda is land theft. Anyone who really believes in freedom [as opposed to self interest] would understand that. (...) What about the war criminals in Israel? What should happen (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *sigh* Even the PA recognises their right to exist. The Israeli agenda is land theft. Anyone who really believes in freedom [as opposed to self interest] would understand that. (...) What about the war criminals in Israel? What should happen (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's say for a moment that what Christians believe in *is* silly. Would it then be worthwhile to help show them this? Is it worthwhile in general to discredit other people's silly beliefs, even when they are very much convinced of these silly (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool, I had no idea I could translate Danish :) Must be 'cause I mostly hear it spoken and I can hardly hear what they say. Same goes with sothern Swedes (Skåningar). (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Palestinian and Isrealis, and the Irish and the English need to try and realize that their best course of action is negotiation and compromise. Effectively, though, this means that Isrealis need to give up some land, and the English need (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please note that Brendan said he was raised Christian. I would also argue that almost everyone in the US is sufficiently affected by Christianity to have sufficient reason to question it. I would also argue that if a religion can not withstand (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not really. England took Ireland by force. Not much else to say. (...) The evidence certainly seems to suggest that that is not the case in Northern Ireland. (...) There is no easy answer, especially when such a high level of animosity has (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol Thank you for lumping together all of the groups that it is politically correct to bash! "White-christian-right"??? What "power"?? What the heck are you talking about? More racism? -John (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm going to jump on your parenthetical comment, Bruce, to make a point. The Palestinians have an agenda-- self-determination, Statehood, and peace. The Israelis have an agenda-- the recognition of their right to exist, and peace. Muslim (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm curious as to how you think the BT is worthwhile to a Christian by showing that what they believe in is silly (I can see why is it useful to *you*-- a "creative" expression of your rejection of your perceived silliness of Christianity, and (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nothing, if that's what it is. What actually happened here? The conventional answer is that England took Ireland by force, right? Isn't it a lot more complicated than that? I dunno, haven't done research in depth but aren't we in some cases (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, what's wrong with trying to throw out a foreign occupying force? Rather see them do it Gandhi/King style, though. Blowing up baby carriages just hurts their own cause (kinda like the Palestinians). -->Bruce<-- (23 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D'oh!! I was typing so quickly (as usual) that it went right by me! Apologies Larry! Still, thanks for the word usage! I shan't mistype your name again, ++Lar! Dave K (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lar++ Careful Dave - the postfix operator is definitely *not* equivalent to the prefix operator, and using Lar++ may produce unpredictable results... ROSCO (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Ooooh, one of my favourite words that is rarely used in this day and age. I shan't deny... :) Thanks for brightening up my otherwise dreary and depressing day at work, (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Breaking my usual practice of ignoring you and your nonsense, I decided to see how hard it was to clarify this for you. It wasn't hard at all. Using the search string "fund terrorist ireland arthur" it's not too hard to dig up lots of examples (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you mean me, I don’t think I have ever made any link between the IRA and American-Christians or even Irish-Americans [whatever they are] specifically? Call me on that if I’m wrong, otherwise I’d appreciate some clarification. Further, the (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps because the white-christian-right holds so much power? Scott A (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "discusting and revolting"? I'll have to assume, for lack of you being specific, that you're talking about the content on my personal website TheReverend.com, but it's anyone's guess just what it is you find so "discusting and revolting". Is (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I do not believe in God. (...) Being Christian and being black aren't particularly analagous. Christianity is a religion comprised of a belief system that you can either choose to accept or reject. Being black means you happened to be born (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you mean *cheek* turning christians. Unless, of course, you're referring to the Irish Americans who apparently keep turning checks over to the IRA that someone keeps trying to use as an argument... (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But this really isn't about BPS and God having a good laugh-- heck, BPS probably doesn't even believe in God. It's about BPS and you having a good laugh at Joe Christian and his relationship with God. It's like the unwritten rule that only (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think what he felt was betrayal and a sense of being lied to. If he had known going in that it was mockery, his reaction IMO would have been different. I really don't care about someone's paticular beliefs when I view their MOC, unless their (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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