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Re: IGNORANT view fuel the IRA?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:11:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> >
> > > Hey, what's wrong with trying to throw out a foreign occupying force?
> > > Rather see them do it Gandhi/King style, though. Blowing up baby carriages
> > > just hurts their own cause (kinda like the Palestinians).
> >
> > I'm going to jump on your parenthetical comment, Bruce, to make a point. The
> > Palestinians have an agenda-- self-determination, Statehood, and peace. The
> > Israelis have an agenda-- the recognition of their right to exist, and peace.
*sigh* Even the PA recognises their right to exist. The Israeli agenda is land
theft. Anyone who really believes in freedom [as opposed to self interest]
would understand that.
> > Muslim extremists have an agenda-- death to the infidels and Israel. 2 of
> > these 3 agendas can work together; 1 cannot. The Palestinians need to rise up
> > and take their destiny from the hands of terrorist leaders and place it in the
> > hands of a Sadat figure (post '73;-)—
What about the war criminals in Israel? What should happen to them?
> I believe that the Israeli GP would
> > respond in kind. If she ignored *legitimate* overtures of peace from
> > Palestinians, that's when US pressure could be brought to bear to "persuade"
> > dissident right-wing Israelis to accept.
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> The Palestinian and Isrealis, and the Irish and the English
I assume you mean British.
> need to try and
> realize that their best course of action is negotiation and compromise.
I fear your comments are rather dated.
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> Effectively, though, this means that Isrealis need to give up some land, and
> the English need to give some political power.
Again, I assume you mean British. We have already devolved some power. It is
extremists in NI [Republican and Unionist, elected and unelected] who are
currently dragging their heals.
> Neither of those two seem to
> be willing, so the violence continues.
You really are living in the past:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/539391.stm
The reality is that only a minority of my countrymen think NI is worth fighting
for. However, the majority of those living in NI want it to stay part of the
UK. That is what Good Friday is all about.
> Both can continue as is because
> there is enough of an excuse in not wanting to give in to terrorism that
> they receive at least a minimal level of support. Faced with non-violent
> protest, I think that support would erode to the point that they would have
> to start the compromise process.
What do you mean, "start"? Where do you get your news? Update yourself:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/539391.stm
> Alas, easier said than done: the
> life-expectancy of peaceful visionaries is minimal. Life is so full of
> wonderful things that it is such a shame to have it cut short by violence.
But yet, you support the high altitude bombing of Afghanistan. ;)
Scott A
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> -->Bruce<--
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| Quoting Scott A <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com>: (...) So how is this different than Israel, Scott? The Israelies already gave up some land. It is extremists in the PA (both elected and unelected) who are currently dragging their heels, and fanning the (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) The Palestinian and Isrealis, and the Irish and the English need to try and realize that their best course of action is negotiation and compromise. Effectively, though, this means that Isrealis need to give up some land, and the English need (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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