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Re: American-Christians fund the IRA?
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Date: 
Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:01:10 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:

Better
he should stick to the easy target of check-turning Christians....

I think you mean *cheek* turning christians. Unless, of course, you're
referring to the "Irish Americans who apparently keep turning checks over to
the IRA that someone keeps trying to use as an argument...

If you mean me, I don’t think I have ever made any link between the IRA and
American-Christians or even Irish-Americans [whatever they are] specifically?
Call me on that if I’m wrong, otherwise I’d appreciate some clarification.

Breaking my usual practice of ignoring you and your nonsense, I decided to
see how hard it was to clarify this for you. It wasn't hard at all.

Using the search string "fund terrorist ireland arthur" it's not too hard to
dig up lots of examples where you point out that Americans fund Irish
terrorist groups. Here's just one. Excerpting from:

http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=16252

-start-

The UK has been under *sustained* terrorist attack for 30+ years. These
attacks are largely funded by your own countrymen!  The latest attack was
planned for just yesterday:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1954000/1954225.stm

-end-

Note that I shan't deny that various Americans of whatever stripe(1) fund
various terrorist and paramilitary groups (with their own personal funds, it
should be noted) on both sides of the NI conflict.

I merely pointed out (in passing, while riffing on what I felt was a rather
humorous typo of John's) that it's not a valid counter argument for the vast
number of things that you tend to use it for.

I expect that distinction will be lost on you, since you're such an
uncritical thinker, but a good debater wouldn't misuse it as a counter so
very much and so very often.

Hope that helps.

1 - I am told that we are a christian nation, that is, most Americans
profess to be christian. Since much US IRA fundraising seems to happen among
ethnic Irish US citizens, it follows that it is probable that at least some
of them are christian, validating my throwaway comment to John.

++Lar



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  Re: American-Christians fund the IRA?
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Ooooh, one of my favourite words that is rarely used in this day and age. I shan't deny... :) Thanks for brightening up my otherwise dreary and depressing day at work, (...) (22 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: British-Christians fuel the IRA?
 
(...) Hey, what's wrong with trying to throw out a foreign occupying force? Rather see them do it Gandhi/King style, though. Blowing up baby carriages just hurts their own cause (kinda like the Palestinians). -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  "I am told that" "it is probable that" "at least some" American-Christians "seem" to fund the IRA?
 
(...) I find that comment a little disingenuous. To be honest, I wish you would just ignore me. (...) As I said, "I don’t think I have ever made any link between the IRA and American-Christians or even Irish-Americans [whatever they are] (...) (22 years ago, 29-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  American-Christians fund the IRA?
 
(...) If you mean me, I don’t think I have ever made any link between the IRA and American-Christians or even Irish-Americans [whatever they are] specifically? Call me on that if I’m wrong, otherwise I’d appreciate some clarification. Further, the (...) (22 years ago, 28-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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