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Re: jumping to conclusions
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Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:37:05 GMT
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Can I assume that you wholly agree with the text you have deleted?
> > > > 2) Israel is a peace loving nation.
> > >
> > > Never said that. What would Israel know of peace?? She has
> > > never been allowed to exist in peace!
> >
> >
> > Let’s just question this.
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> <snip yet another isolated incident that occured decades ago that is by and
> large irrelevant>
You said “never”. I proved you wrong. There appears to be a lot of these
“isolated incidents”? How many does it take to prove Israeli belligerence to
you?
>
>
> > > > 3) There is an international anti-Israeli media conspiracy which distorts
> > > > reality.
> > >
> > > I never said that, either. I said there is a liberal bias in the media, which
> > > tends to sympathize with the Palestinians.
> >
> > Proof please?
>
> There have been *books* written on the subject. It is common knowledge. If you
> can't see it, you are either a part of it or brainwashed by it.
Which books? Who wrote them?
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> > > Answer me this, Scott:
> > >
> > > 1. Is terrorism ever justified?
> >
> > I have made my views known on this already – in this very thread!
>
> A simple yes or no. I asked because I'm not sure.
Do you support the USA’s support of terrorism?
This cannot be reduced to yes/no. I’m sure the Germans thought the French
Resistance were terrorists. Was William Wallace a terrorist? Similarly, when
does internal-terrorism end and a state of civil-war begin? I’m not sure.
I oppose deliberate attacks on civilians. For instance, I do not support
this horrific act:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1954000/1954620.stm
> >
> > >
> > > 2. Was the attack on 9-11 justified?
> >
> > I have made my views known on this already – I’m rather offended you have
> > even asked me this.
>
> A simple yes or no. Why offense? Your responses throughout this whole
> discussion make me wonder.
I would love to see how you reached that view. I don’t expect you will show us.
> >
> > > 3. What in your opinion *should* have been the US response?
>
> <snip sarcastic drivel>
I’m glad you spotted I was being sarcastic. I note you don’t refute or
justify one part of it.
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> Typical. So quick to criticize, but yet if it were to have happened to you, you
> have *no idea* how you would have responded. You probably think that it *
> wouldn't* ever happen to you, because you wouldn't have ever put yourself in the
> situation to have it happen to you.
The UK has been under *sustained* terrorist attack for 30+ years. These
attacks are largely funded by your own countrymen! The latest attack was
planned for just yesterday:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_1954000/1954225.stm
> Arrogant, yet naive.
I have to say that I have come to the conclusion that you are rather naïve
in your view of terrorism and Israel’s belligerence.
> >
> > What about you, do you know *WHY* 911 happened?
>
> Look. If you are going to sit there and insinuate that somehow *we* are to
> blame for 9-11, you are an idiot.
Not my point. Since 911, the public/media has been consumed with “Who?” and
“How?”. I was just interested to see if you knew “Why?”. To be honest, I’m
not sure if I do.
> The attacks on 9-11 occured because a group
> of Arabs hated enough to deny their own humanity to murder innocents. IT HAS
> NOTHING TO DO WITH US. I don't care what foreign policy you care to cite, IT
> HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US. It has *everything* to do with their own hatred and
> intolerance. Period.
I expect they were driven by “hate” to some extent. However, hate is seldom
irrational – especially within a group of 19+ very well organised individuals.
Further, you say “Arabs hated enough to deny their own humanity to murder
innocents”. You appear to “hate” the Palestinians enough to justify their
persecution by the Israeli state?
> Do you care?
>
> Of course I care!
I meant do you care why? Based on your response above, I’m not sure you do.
> Because I don't want it to happen again.
>
> Do you want
> > justice or revenge?
>
> Which do you think?
Honestly? I think you want “revenge”.
> >
> > > 5. Has the PLO ever promised peace?
> >
> > I expect it has.
>
> Hmmm. Not so quick to look up peace treaties ever broken by the Palestinians...
> I wonder why?
I have said *repeatedly* that Arafat does not have clean hands. My point is
that Israel is no better!
>
> -John
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