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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Bingo. (...) Ouch! Truth. (...) Slam! Down goes Fraser! (...) And finally the punch that Ali never threw--Wow, new appreciation for Scott. (...) Wow! Scott hit the nail directly on the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not ignoring anything. GDP is the standard way of measuring it - under Agenda 21, the Official Development Assistance (ODA) aid target of 0.7% of GDP was set. Even when measured per head of population, the USA is still hitting below its (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I think that war is hell, and that when you're in a *war*, that it truly is an 'us and them' scenario. There is no denying that the 'politic', the 'intelligencia' and the 'people' have to be 'on-side' in order to fight and maintain a war (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Giving more in raw dollars and being lower as a percentage of GDP are not mutually exclusive if the GDPs are different, a fact being conveniently ignored by your detractors, John. This also omits private contributions, and the aid in kind for (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The two atomic bomb raids were not the only US bomb raids on Japan during the second world war. US low level incendiary bomb raids started much earlier. The aim of the night time bomb raids were the civillian population, which largely lived in (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect you are correct. I searched for the WHO rankings, but I had no luck. Although I did find this: (URL) makes no mention of Cuba, but it does tell us the WHO places the US system at number 38 [very average]. The rankings appear to be (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, the bomb was dropped to scare the Japanese, thus ending the war. I don't see that as terrorism, though - terrorism implies a much more prolonged chain of events than a couple weeks in August '45. Terrorism is ETA in Spain, IRA in (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More data: Country Foreign Aid % GDP Japan 0.28 France 0.55 Germany 0.31 USA 0.10 Netherlands 0.81 UK 0.28 Canada 0.38 These figures hide the fact that Isreal gets most of the aid from the USA. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm asking you john why you think non-whites in the USA are genetically predisposed to have disproportionately less economic freedom. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is that... if America didn't revolt--taxation w/o representation and all that--how would the world be today? Though to be said--the xenophobic america who wouldn't enter a war until their collective face is slapped, also has to be looked (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tell you, the word "terrorism" gets so over/misused. The purpose of terrorism is to evoke fear in a GP for the purpose of swaying opinion. We dropped the bombs on Japan to bring about a quick end to the war (that *they* started BTW), not to (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, because we did the heavy lifting for you and GB realised that they could let you have your way peacefully, or keep a cork on things a bit longer and see you either revolt, or be annexed by us... Grin, duck, run (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidentily, no one was paying attention on how to successfully pull off a revolution. Wimps! :-) (...) Oh, alright, I don't particularly want to see Canada broken up either (Canadians are too darn peaceful - ya shoulda shot DeGaul when you had (...) (23 years ago, 12-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, Pedro was right--Quebec did not want to 'bring the constitution home' for they could appeal to a highter authority than the Canadian Supreme court if they were denied something from the Supreme Court. The separatists wanted a higher (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Herein lies the real problem. You hit it right on the head with that question, Rosco. I am somewhat in favor of blasting violent people with violent retaliation, but I do fear that to some extent such activity can breed future violence. Many (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, since I've publically stated I think their reasoning in WWII was nothing short of terrorism anyway (lets not go there again), I'd have to say "neither", especially with dubya at the helm. Here's another question: Do you think that (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) David (no "!") understood what I was refering to - technically everything Canada did was supposed to be approved by the Queen until that last vestige of empire was officially expunged a couple of decades ago. I was embarrassed for my Canadian (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way are they *SPECIFICALLY* linked. -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it was Québec, I am not a bit surprised. The Crown had assumed compromises to protect the french heritage of the province. Obviously, they would rather keep the privilege. (...) Was that clause used often, btw? (...) The Crown declared war. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Someone once said that America needed a revolution to become their own country--Canada just 'evolved' into our own, and not without a few snags ourself. PET (Pierre Trudeau) 'decides' to get our constitution over here from Britain--got 9 (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, they did not told the Queen to bugger off... because they did not have to; they got their own PM instead. Given that the Crown has little (if any) effective power, it is even better: getting independent whilst assuring a powerful (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) *If* I were to live in the USofA... (and that's a mighty big *if*)... I'd want to live in sunny SoCal... I love it when Craiggers does the "What's the weather like in Buffalo this (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'Merican. Pronounce the "r" so far in the back of your throat that you have to swallow it. :-) Okay, so, America is difficult to swallow. You knew that. ;-) (...) I'd chalk that up on the silly side, and we have elections every year in any (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that Can'eh'dians have *more* freedom than Am'aaar'icans.. We have our elections when we want, not just specifically every 4 years--we choose, therefore more freedom. (well, the party in power chooses... but that's neither here nor (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, it is a fact. From oneworld.net: "America ranks last among all developed western nations in the amount of aid it provides foreign nations expressed as a percentage of its gross domestic product (GDP) about 0.08 percent, according to a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't think they are linked? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said "weapons". (...) Nope. (...) OK, Eisenhower was wrong. (...) The debate is about WOMD. (...) I'll blame the US for giving it to Iraq, and having poor bio-secuity. (...) Sure. (...) LOL (...) Check your tax bill. (...) Indeed. I'll have (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the "dingus" part of the thread it isn't important to make sense, have a coherent line of argument, or even stick to a singular theory as to why anything should happen. What *is important* is to merely bully your opinion over on people (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When the economics are driven by race and an undercurrent of societal racism (not in every single person, but as a demonstrable trend in cultural character), then the economics are a symptom of the underlying racism. The fact that you, along (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was thinking in terms of nuclear accidents-- part of the responsibility for utilizing nuclear technology is controlling it. And what of nuclear waste? Somehow I think the USSR didn't care as much for the environment as we did in this regard. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And for the third time, I assert that you are speaking about economics, not race. But you have managed to bury my original objection to your initial post with a barrage of obfuscation. Well done. -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More of them have the "freedom" to go on holiday in Edinburgh [Scotland] than do non-whites. ;) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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found this interesting link (URL) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but don't think that those nations are being singled out; much of the US population is living at Third World levels, and they don't get any help from the US-at-large, either. Dave! (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) c /literary/literally/ (...) That's my guess... (if world class == "average" or even "median") (...) Apparently we're offering some as we speak. (URL) see all of them so far: (URL) and go through the calendar to choose them...) I know, I know, (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As did the USA, France and the UK. So why is the USSR worse than the USA? (...) You are being obtuse again. (...) All that's debateble. General Dwight D. Eisenhower: "Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) B as in B, S as in S. The US government gives more in raw dollars than anyone (hardly "dire"), and that doesn't even count *private* giving... -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You: I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". Well, what are they? -John (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, this is pure dogma. Read the text again. (...) 1) Who has been stopping companies investing in Cuba? 2) The USA has a dire record in offering development and humanitarian aid to developing countries [~1.25 dollars per U.S. citizen in (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never said there are "US laws that limit freedoms according to race". Did I? It is you who are squirming by avoiding the point - despite the fact that it has been made by more than just me. Shut-up or Put-up. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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