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Re: Does God Exist? (was Re: Mercy? (was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer))
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Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:58:54 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:

> > But our universe is extraordinarily logical, coherent, and reliable.  The
> > chance that we happened to fall in the exact universe that not only fits
> > these (and other) requirements but fits them to a huge degree of precision,
> > is astronomical.
> 
> You're not getting it.  Maybe there were 10^37 (or whatever) universal
> incarnations that had nothing like us occur.  That's fine.  You're arguing
> that a probability that doesn't actually have any bearing on our likelihood,
> does.  I'm sorry, but that's invalid.

  Yes indeed.  Another way to approach it is to point out that we (life in
general) weren't running around looking for a universe to populate and were
lucky enough to find this one; we (again, life in general) arose within this
universe because the circumstances in this universe permitted life to arise.
Whether or not any or all other universes could support life is irrelevant;
this one does, and here we are.

> It's like claiming that since the
> lottery is a 1:6x10^7 proposition, then it's impossible to win.  Obviously
> that's false.

  I dunno--it's always seemed pretty impossible for me to win...  8^)

     Dave!



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  Re: Does God Exist? (was Re: Mercy? (was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer))
 
(...) Might that be because you don't play? That's *usually* my reason for not winning, although once in a while (when the expected value (of the net present value of the win after taxes) >100% of the cost to play) it is because the gods don't like (...) (25 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Does God Exist? (was Re: Mercy? (was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer))
 
(...) You're not getting it. Maybe there were 10^37 (or whatever) universal incarnations that had nothing like us occur. That's fine. You're arguing that a probability that doesn't actually have any bearing on our likelihood, does. I'm sorry, but (...) (25 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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