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Re: The god debate again... sigh^h^h^h^h yawn
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Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:40:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ian Warfield writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
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> > > Are you implying there are limits to the power of God?
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> > I don't see how I'm implying that. God has the power to do anything which
> > requires power to do, but He works within a logical framework. Since God is
> > good, He cannot sin. This is not a detraction of God's power, but an
> > affirmation of His goodness: to sin would be to invalidate His perfect
> > nature.
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> You're wandering into the "Can god make a stone so large he cannot lift it?"
> thicket. Here there be tygers.
Indeed. I would say that there is no answer to this question, because it's
a logical contradiction. God can lift anything He wants, and God can make
anything He wants. But God wouldn't set out with the express purpose of
making a stone too big for Him to lift, because this is a logically
impossible scenario.
A similar debate, without involving God, would be "What happens when an
unstoppable train hits an immovable, indestructable wall?" This is the same
contradiction - it's a logically impossible scenario.
> I note you did not address my previous post on "Why this discussion now? Did
> you do your homework before starting?" but just ignored it.
There were three posts:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=12881
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=12869
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=12883
(I addressed Lindsay's refutation here:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=12941.)
None of them specifically asked "Why are you debating this? Did you refer
to previous discussions?" or added to the debate. Rather, they seemed to be
pot-shots and "grousing" (your own word), so I ignored them. About the
worst thing anyone can do in debate is take offense at something, because
then you start sounding reactionary and irrational.
In answer to your question, I did my homework in terms of external research
and scientific evidence to support my argument, but I didn't look through
previous discussions. I thought that, since those discussions had already
resolved themselves or petered out, I didn't need to bring them up. I
thought that whoever wanted to debate could, and those who didn't want to
debate or felt that this had been resolved already could just ignore it.
I'm not looking to *demand* anyone's involvement in this debate.
--Ian
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| (...) You're wandering into the "Can god make a stone so large he cannot lift it?" thicket. Here there be tygers. I note you did not address my previous post on "Why this discussion now? Did you do your homework before starting?" but just ignored (...) (23 years ago, 22-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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