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Re: Does God Exist? (was Re: Mercy? (was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer))
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Mon, 17 Sep 2001 00:55:33 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ian Warfield writes:
> Oh dear. Let me start over.
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> God is good, and there is no evil or sin in him. God created everything, so
> therefore everything reflects God's goodness in some way. People doing good
> things don't do it because of their innate goodness; they reflect the
> goodness of their Creator.
> ...
> All righty then...
> ...
> Given that the universe had a beginning, which is commonly known as the Big
> Bang. Given that the laws of physics were set at the beginning and have
> remained unchanged since.
So, here's how I like to see it. If God started everything off, what if He
let it play out - what if He wasn't sticking His oar in every five minutes?
What if we really do have free will, for a start? Who wants to live in a
universe where you can only be free up to point, then God intervenes, anyway?
If you fundamentally believe the bible, why do you think the tree of
knowledge was placed in the Garden of Eden in the first place? Even if it's
just a metaphor, it's a metaphor for freedom. I want to believe too, but I
want to make my own choice to do so.
> The laws of physics must be extraordinarily precise for the universe to
> function as we know it and remain functioning until today...
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> Ratio of Electrons to Protons, 1:10^37
> Ratio of Electromagnetic Force, Gravity 1:10^40
> Expansion Rate of Universe, 1:10^55
> Mass of Universe, 1:10^59
> Cosmological Constant, 1:10^120
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> If even one of those properties had deviated beyond the range indicated,
> life would not be possible.
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> From Dr. Hugh Ross's *The Creator and the Cosmos*,
> One part in 10^37 is such an incredibly sensitive balance that it is hard to
> visualize. The following analogy might help...
Yes, thank you. Odds on life existing on any one planet? Remote? Well, we
must be very lucky here on Earth - but wait, if life didn't arise, we
wouldn't be having this discussion. So, big bangs could happen an infinite
number of times, or on an infinite number of quantum probabilities, throwing
up an infinite number of constants, squidgy lumps, and even the odd planet,
but we only actually get to gawp at it from the 1 in however many where it
all comes together - none of the others. So all those other possibilities
(count 'em if you like) are completely irrelevant.
Jason J Railton
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