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Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Mon, 17 Sep 2001 01:04:14 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Adam Murtha writes:
> This debate is going nowhere, and no one's opinion is going to change here.
> But you say there is convincing evidence that there is god, and yet I have
> seen any.
Refer to the post I just put up:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=12873. There is more, if you're
interested.
> Let me put my opinion this way. I will believe that there is a god when he
> shows himself, to everyone everywhere. I will not go by what an
> ancient book says.
You'll get your wish, eventually. When we die, we all face God. And at the
end of the age, God will descend from Heaven in glory to set up His kingdom
on earth. Then there will be absolute proof. But I would not recommend
waiting until then to settle the question, because then it will be too late
to make a decision for God.
> I'm amazed that you said that the study of science presupposes that there is
> a god. But I'm glad you wrote about that because it gave me a good laugh.
> Science has disproved two of the supposed theological events masterminded by
> god. You said that you believe god did evolution all by himself without a
> middle man, and without 'fiddling' around. I cannot believe that anyone
> denies the proof of evolution, even the Pope himself has offically recognised
> it. I'm sorry, but there is substantial evidence that it took 4 million
> years plus to get our species where we are today, simply a primate, just like
> gorillas and chimpanzees.
I think the Pope made a mistake there. But then, he's fallible just like
every other human. :)
Evolution by chance is analogous to dumping your entire LEGO collection into
a clothes dryer (uh-oh, do we have to move this to an on-topic group?),
setting it to tumble-dry, and waiting around for it to randomly assemble
into something even remotely complex. It would never happen - the chance is
astronomical. Even if it eventually occurred, it would require a nearly
infinite period of time, and the universe has only been around for 15
billion years. Plus you eventually run into the situation where increased
complexity works against you: the more complex your assemblage of LEGOs is,
the more likely it is to break apart.
> And there is scientific proof that the universe that was created not by god.
There is no definitive proof that the universe was not created by God. That
is an act of faith, just as it is to believe that it was created by God.
> Also, there are many things that we still haven't learned about the Big Bang
> or evolution, which we may learn.
True. We learn new things all the time. But since God both created the
universe and wrote the Bible, we should expect them to agree. If they seem
not to, something is wrong with our interpretation of one or the other.
> Yet I see no proof that god did either of that. You also said that god is
> beyond our understanding, which makes no sense.
I don't think you meant what you wrote, but yes it does make sense. God is
infinite, we are not. Therefore He is beyond our understanding.
> Those who worship god would likely say that they understand him and his ways,
> or at least try to understand, wouldn't they?
We try. But we can never completely understand Him.
> But if he's beyond our understanding as you say, wouldn't he be beyond our
> comprehension?
The more we learn about His creation, the more we learn details about what
He is like.
> Why didn't evolution stop about 130,000 year ago before the Neanderthals began
> to use burial practices, for whatever reason, maybe because of god?
I'm not sure I follow you here.
The introduction of new species stopped after humans showed up on earth; no
new species have been seen since then. Before that, there had been a huge
explosion of species introduced continuously since the Cambrian age.
Coincidentally, this agrees with the creation account: God created the
universe, then the earth, then all its species, before topping it off with
man and resting.
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> Adam
--Ian
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