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--snip-- (...) I don't know where you got this idea from. There are plenty of ways to test hypotheses about the origins of the universe. The Big Bang hypothesis is pretty much accepted by all scientists to the point that it could almost be (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Must they be mutually exclusive? (...) How? Via torture? ;-) (...) I'm not sure I even understand what the term "Son of God" means. I do know that it isn't merely a synonym of "Son of Man", "Lamb of God", "Messiah", etc. As for His revelation (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, for me it's the ultimate question. And I believe that the origin of the universe is the ONLY PLACE where science and religion collide and become indistinguishable from each other. (...) Science doesn't just accept a "we don't know." (...) (18 years ago, 22-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd venture to say that this is just about your favorite question, because you return to it repeatedly! The answers, of course, are many and various: atheists don't necessarily deny the existence of God; they just don't believe that he exists (...) (18 years ago, 20-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Brendan Powell Smith wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) And this is where I jump in (after reading most, but not all of this thread, so if this has been covered, please forgive) I think one of the first straws that sent me (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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--snip-- (...) It is also possible that the English word "division" in that context has changed. If you look at "divisional" it usually implies an active (and possibly hostile) act of division so it is not unreasonable to assume that the word it is (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I don't read the actual original ancient Greek text of the New Testament, nor the ancient Hebrew of the Old Testament (though my girlfriend does read Hebrew and sometimes offers me her own translations). (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ahhh. That changes matters and explains your choice. I didn't realise you actually went back to the original text at times. Impressive. (...) I agree completely. I raised the point merely to anticipate arguments about your choice of (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To say that it "rings true to you" almost makes it sound like you are evaluating it based on evidence and logic, rationally determining it to be the best explanatory theory. But this is quite different than saying that you are absolutely sure (...) (18 years ago, 19-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hi, Tim. (...) As far as I understand it (though I am not fluent in ancient Greek myself) it is not merely the context that implies a violent division, but the Greek word itself. I realize that it is usually translated into English as simply (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, let's say that it "rings true" to me; I find the wisdom valid for my life. Why? I don't know the reason. But it does. Why do you believe what you believe? Upon what rational basis do you (presumably) deny the existence of God? How do you (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry to respond... I forgot to mention something: I do think that the translation "Do you think I have come to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but hostility!" as used by the Reverand is probably not as accurate as "Do you think I have (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, it does really say that. Go read the entire passage and you will see that it says and means exactly that. I have seen an analysis which added a whole lot of created meaning to it in order to make it mesh with the common ideas of (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Exactly. That's why I wouldn't trust it. I mean, even though Samarth hasn't read the Bible, he was sharp enough to ask "does the Bible really say or mean that?" It really doesn't. I know that it is BPS's intention to portray it in a mockingly (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, yes and no. I agree that going to the source is the best way, but if Samarth was to do a Hindu equivalent of the Brick Testament I'm sure you would find a lot of stuff in it that you were coming to for the first time. Tim (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Thanks for indulging me, John. (...) OK, I guess that answers most of the questions from my post. So, if I understand you correctly, when it comes right down to it, the reason you believe wholheartedly that Jesus spoke eternal religious truths about (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of course I believe the NT is as well. For example, Paul writes letters to specific communities with specific issues. Even the Gospels have specific audiences. Yeah, lots of the issues addressed are of the universal type, but some aren't. One (...) (18 years ago, 18-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hi, John. (...) I've seen you draw this distinction in other posts here, and meant to ask you how exactly you derive this idea that the Old Testament is "contextual to the time" while the New Testament (presumably in your mind) is not merely so. (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Paul Hewson, AKA Bono: Musician, Social Activist, (URL). And The Edge, (AKA David Evans) sums it up nicely: "Of course we're trying to be tax-efficient. Who doesn't want to be tax-efficient?" What's wrong with sexy? (Tap ref:-) JOHN (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Some people are simply beneath contempt (and in his case, 6 feet). Some people just need a good, old-fashioned fear of burning in hell to keep them honest in this life, eh? JOHN (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Doh! If (URL) doesn't qualify as beating the system, I don't know what does! Ken Lay, a stinker to the very end and beyond. Dave! (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, the only human immolating that went on that among the Israelites that I know of is the call for the sacrifice of Isaac (which was recanted anyway). Still, I would explain such interpretations of God's will as just that-- contextual to (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, I think I was just sucker-punched.... JOHN (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I find that offensive and insulting. I've worked long and hard to foul up my understanding of percentages, and I won't have you casting aspersions on my diligent efforts! Do you think dim-wittedeness like this comes easily? No way! Besides, (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'll need to find the passage again. It's been a while. But anyway, why is a loving and merciful God immolating anybody in the first place? Heck, by that metric, I'm more loving and merciful than God. (...) Sorry, but that's as much a (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I've never heard it said that the US consumes 75% of the worlds resources. I've heard it consumes 25%. Are you learning percentages from Dave Schuler? (...) To be honest it kind of is. Your rates of literacy and numeracy are incredibly poor by (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What about all of this rubbish about the US being 5% of the world's population (300,000,000 strong now, thankyouverymuch) and yet consuming 75%-ish of the world's resources? Balance that! (...) It's a wonder we are even able to dress ourselves (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do you mean "to have been kept"? The Old Testament contains a lot of historical information, including ancient worship practices, which have changed over time as cultures have changed/evolved. The important part to glean is that God never (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Don't forget the rules on toes and scales for what you can eat. Tim (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's good advice for believers, too. And if you don't read the Old Testament for yourself, how will you learn which incense to burn to keep from being immolated by the Lord's wrath? Dave! (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not quite true any more. The EU is providing a balanced offset against the US nowadays (look at the strength of the Euro). From a world markets point of view the US is playing less of a role. And I wouldn't whinge about tariffs. Check how much (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Eh, do yourself a favor and learn about the Bible from credible commentary, or the source itself. BPS must even cringe at that revelation. JOHN (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) 2 out of 10 for spelling though;-) JOHN (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, let's be honest here. If your product is too expensive for the masses in the USA, it probably doesn't stand much of a chance in an even MORE empoverished world market overseas, especially with foreign governments' market-protection (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK, my maths is really wrong there :very embarassed: (2x0=0) Infinately better than perfect then. Tim (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Depends on what perfect is. Could be 2x perfect (if perfect=0) Tim (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That would be nice if it were true, but despite two administrations espousing that view, it has yet to work as promised. It fails for a number of reasons. First, you can't build a business if there isn't a demand to support it, and if the (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Half-wit" I'd say, but that would be too easy! >:-D (...) Well, my point is that it has been consistently used through the decades and therefore is a sort of standardized snapshot of our economy, if only one part. Though it doesn't reflect (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Whoops! Not a failing of math, but of reading comprehension. I totally blew past your maximum of five and read a ten in its place. But half-perfect is nifty, too! (...) But it's accurate only inasmuch as an IQ test accurately measures IQ. (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Thanks, Samarth. (...) It is out of context in the strict sense of the term. The same could be said of any of the illustrated passages from Jesus's Teachings, but the same must also be said of anyone else's quoting of Jesus's teachings, (...) (18 years ago, 17-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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