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(...) I'll hold off here-- is that what you meant to say about a scientific theory being proven? IE that no contradictions "prove" it (and accepting that it is a falsifiable theory) (...) See, there's the bit that I was getting at: "reasonable (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't forget that this apostle of the Culture of Life, during his tenure as governor of the great State of Texas, signed the bill that allowed hospitals to terminate life support against a family's wishes if such support was deemed too costly (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I'm amazed that the man who took the world on an illegal war which cost the lives of tens-of-thousands, disrespects human rights and executed dozens of juvenile offenders did not have the power to "save" (URL) Terri Schiavo>. I'm even more amazed (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But let's be clear--that so-called elitist minority is arguing in favor of that which can be confirmed by independent observation and experiment, whereas Mummert et al are arguing that we should teach creationism because the bible says it's (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Really? I figured you'd be more the type for big books... Steve (Thompson Chain with the big red letters!) (NIV with the ribbon bookmark!) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Good builder? Really good at microscale? Worked on the LEGO Factory project? I think you're thinking of ROSS! (I've alleged before that Ross does all the good building in that family, J2 just takes the credit...) Seriously, ya, he's not bad. (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, technically he did with the Factory Team last year?! Perhaps he still does? - with NDAs we're not really in a position to know one way or the other! Seriously though, John's one of my favorite builders. His work is always top notch. (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) He has a LEGO career? I did not know that! (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) :) lol... that's pretty good, but don't leave your Lego career for the music biz just yet! :) Spencer (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, only that He hides it well. God: "Does my mass look big in this universe?" I like big orbs and I cannot lie....:-) JOHN (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In lugnet.off-topic.debate, J. Spencer Rezkalla wrote: (...) C'mon, you two, stop. There is really no need, is there? You can be funny enough without the bowdlerizations, right? A guy would think you guys are trying to make me grumpy. Leave (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what exactly are you implying here - that God's got a huge mASS? Spencer (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, I got that simpler part too - but I felt like examining the contents within the article to see if they supported it. Definitely a foot-in-mouth award is due here. :) Spencer (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, OK. But the reason I found it funny is much more simple... the speaker is basically saying *he's* not intelligent or not educated, or perhaps, neither. (and you know what, I tend to think he's right... he isn't!) Didn't mean to spark a (...) (20 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I totally agree, but that's really just saying that the two are unrelated. Which is fine. Wisdom =/= Intelligence. But I just kinda find it sad that the connatation forming on the Right is that "Intelligence = Bad/Unwise/Evil". (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: <snip> (...) Merely because a person knows a lot about quantum mechanics or is an expert on pottery from the Ming Dynasty doesn't make them any wiser than an old hayseed from Tennessee. I mean, wasn't (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Or, framed another way, an overwhelming minority who wish to impose their elitist, secular beliefs on the unwashed masses. (...) See, here is the crux of the issue for me: science has the temerity to assume that it will ever come close to (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) **snip of example** I figured that you and I had been through all this already before. Proof in scientific terms is most certainly not in the eye of the beholder, but "proof" in that context doesn't mean the same thing as "proof" in a (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Rob Doucette wrote: Hey! What's a "Rob" doing in this thread? (...) ---...--- Too Many Daves ---...--- Did I ever tell you that Mrs McCave had twenty-three sons and named them all Dave? Well, she did. And that wasn't a (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's better with music: (URL) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: <snip> . Arguing is so much more fun :) (...) Do all Daves consider arguing fun? Or is that just the Daves around here? Dave K (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, my initial response was something a bit more argumentative. But when I started thinking about it, I realized there were some interpretations of the statement that I found I agreed with. So I erased my 2 paragraphs and wound up with a (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm gonna skip down to here, because here's the meat of the argument, I think. Proof is in the eye of the beholder. *DISPROOF* is far more objective. I'm thinking of a number sequence. The first number is 1. A creationist (I'm gonna go back to (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be fair, you did say "I guess that's right," without disclaiming a whole lot of wiggle room. I can accept your more elaborate articuation below, but I hope you can see that my response wasn't inappropriate given your initially apparent (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's true, which is why I didn't say "that's exactly correct!". But in thinking about human evolution, a very early step (and not necessarily the first, depending on what you call steps versus qualifications, or transition states or (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, that's a big difference! I have no more fear of the Lord of the Bible than I have of the (URL) of the Dance> (and maybe less). I similarly don't fear Bigfoot, the Easter Bunny, or Paul Bunyan. Rather than equivocating on some overlap (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You're attempting to repaint the issue along purely semantic rather than functional or philosophical lines, and thereby you're casting your vote in favor of creationism. An actual scientist is someone who practices actual science, as opposed (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not at all! The first human reaction to that which is out of our control is to control or predict it. Understand it. Particularly if it's important to us. Understanding why the grass is green, for instance, is of far less importance to (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Eh, I think the counterargument goes that 1) what *you* call an "actual" scientist doesn't necessarily match what others might call an "actual" scientist 2) why should this be classified as "science"? Calling it "history" might be what (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would tend agree that is the context of the quote - fortunately, Mr. Mummert demonstrates in the article why he is not a member of this "intelligent, educated segment of the culture" by foolishly combining evolutionary theory and (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you kidding? Dave! (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I likewise suspect that Mummert was making an attempt at irony, and the fact that he also happened to frame the issue correctly is more ironic still. The culture war, in this context, is a tiny and radical fringe that wishes to impose a (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have to admit I'm kind of suprised at the terminology. I've heard that same sort of reference quite a bit (calling liberals/left-wingers/etc "intellectual" or "educated"), and I always expect some other sort of more derrogatory phrase to (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This attitude is, unfortunately, exactly at the heart of the problem. It is abhorrent that anyone suggests that the mythology of Creationism (under whatever label) should be taught alongside a scientific theory so thoroughly confirmed that no (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha! Reminds me of the poll I heard wherein some majority of people found Kerry to be more intelligent, but W to be more trustworthy. In effect, it showed that there were lots of people out there who preferred someone who was trustworthy to (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think what the person meant was that we are being attacked by the intelligensia, the secular "educated" elite, and I think he is right on. There is a culture war going on in our country. Heh, what I find hysterical is the thought of (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Props to Mummert for correctly identifying his enemy. Give those smart people an inch, and they'll take ~2.54 centimeters. Dave! (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I found the subject quote hysterically funny. YMMV... (URL) toward the bottom of that story. (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Patient readers may recall the extended exchange that DaveE and I had back in November or so regarding the Myers-Briggs Testing Instrument. Suffice it to say that we were, in the end, of surprisingly like mind; I objected to the test's use in (...) (20 years ago, 28-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WRT the clone-- I don't even know what brand it actually is. It was a part of a JAL promo set that was given to me by a family member who worked for NW airlines. You wouldn't suppose that I'd actually pay for a clone, would you? :-) Although I (...) (20 years ago, 28-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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