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(...) And what, exactly, does it do for us? If charity is performed to achieve a space in heaven, then it's a simple economic transaction designed to favor oneself with a payoff disproportionate to the act of charity. (...) On the contrary--public (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Carl Nelson wrote: <snip> (...) I don't believe in the Beatles, I just believe in me. After all, he was the walrus.... I could be the walrus... still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car... "...I recall Central (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Point taken--probably not the best illustration of charity. "Buy a panhandler a meal" would have been a better example. Religiously speaking, Jesus would have helped the panhandler to overcome addiction, adversity, laziness, or whatever other (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <anip> (...) Perfectly said, Larry. Walking down the street years ago, guy says, "Hey, spot me some coin for a coffee?" Well, we just happen to be close to a Tim Hortins (Canadian version of 'coffee (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I grant that the assertion that altruism is a bad idea sounds a bit unusual. It's not a new assertion, however. I've made it before. Either review what was said then, or feel free to demonstrate that altruism IS a good idea, if you like... But (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!)
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(...) And here I was thinking that "all rights are property rights" was a strange belief. Adieu Richie Dulin (2 URLs) Port Brique Somewhere in the South Pacifique (2 URLs) Misérable Building a safer South Pacifique (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Rearranged slightly to make a point (...) All good. Assuming you did your research, that is. (...) Terrible idea. Why would you want to do that?(1) ALL your examples above are worthy charities (based on the assumption that you as donor have (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Charity is absolutely a Christian (and most other religions', at that) value. The problem is, the government is not a charitable organization. God wants us to give money not because He needs it (televangelism aside <g>) but for what the act of (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does that really surprise you? I expect every hamlet, village, town and city on the planet has a greater population density than the whole of Scotland - think about it. Heck, my office has a population density of 200,000 / sq. mi... and there (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay... Let me toss out a few numbers to put this a bit more into perspective: Scotland Population (ca. 1991): 5,102,400 Population Density: 169/sq. mi. US Population (ca. 2000): 281,421,906 (55x Scotland) Population Density: 80/sq. mi. (0.47x (...) (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I used to work at KB toys, those 'toys' were purchased by adult collectors 95 percent of the time. Not that it really makes too much difference but I just thought you would like to know. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 10-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(2 URLs) Elite Force Aviator: George W. Bush - U.S. President and Naval Aviator - 12" Action Figure Pre-order: Available 09/15/03 Blue-Box Price: $39.99 Hey, maybe it can be used as a voodoo doll! Better yet, just pass on it and vote with the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I'm a pragmatist, after all! 8^) Besides which, I think the beauty of this story is not the issue of church/state separation but rather the apparent church/church separation! The fun will come in watching the Christian Coalition scramble (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Xtian church. If we were to be guided by what Jesus might have done in our stead, how different things would be. Usually though, you just get some Bible thumper that wants to use Biblical teachings to put you under his thumb -- so that he can (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I wouldn't be too sure about that either. The Dead Sea Scrolls supposedly have lengthy sexual passages like one where Noah speaks lyrically in the first person about the beauty of his wife Sarah's breasts. To me, nothing could be more (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any translation is subject to introducing error. Usually, though, Bible scholars seem for the most part encouraged that modern translations seem consistent any time they find a really old fragment. But I'm hardly enough of a Bible scholar to (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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'The President's Ideologically Narrow Agenda has Seriously Divided America...' (URL) edit: Why is the guy I didn't vote for suddenly nailing it? He should have been this interesting during his campaign. Anyway, it's a must read for an understanding (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's not that we're biased toward MS products, it's just Windows is the most widely used OS and therefore if you want to have to good user base you have to program for Windows. I personally find Linux confusing and prefer using Windows; does (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Report: Marines dropped devices similar to Napalm on Iraqi troops (URL) SAN DIEGO - Marine Corps fighter pilots and commanders say they dropped firebombs similar to napalm on Iraqi troops earlier this year, according to a report published Tuesday. (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't answer you question directly because I have not made an exhaustive survey on the subject from the perspective of non-English Xtian faiths, but I will answer it this way... You can use books like Strong's Concordance to get at a closer (...) (21 years ago, 7-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Interesting, but perhaps you can explain some inconsistencies with that explanation. Not all Christian religions use the King James version of the bible - certainly the Catholics don't (and their views on homosexuality differ little from most (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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One more thing: (URL) See that guy up there? He has WAY too much time on his hands. He's an incipient little J. Edgar or wannabe agent for TIA or maybe just a failed blackmailer. The main thing is: he is not a good person and he is definitely overly (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: snip (...) Preach it, Hoppy! When the majority of the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus, our supposed role model and saviour, focuses on Social Justice, and we get hung up on a few misinterpreted (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Fears of split follow gay bishop vote (URL) The historic vote has sent shock waves through the church and the wider Anglican community, with the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams saying Wednesday that the church faced "difficult days" while (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Tony Martin case: You can't {make up} better criticism of Liberals!
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(...) Gee, lot's of similar references here I guess. I'm thinking of Larry Niven's "The Patchwork Man" (at least I think that's the short story I'm thinking of - Niven actually keeps refering to organ banks). Frank (21 years ago, 5-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) Hear! Hear!! Let that truth be told everywhere! Dave K (21 years ago, 5-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz wrote: <snip> (...) I say it's LEXX :) (21 years ago, 5-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Dead Men Tell No Tales
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The unreported cost of war: at least 827 American wounded (URL) US military casualties from the occupation of Iraq have been more than twice the number most Americans have been led to believe because of an extraordinarily high number of accidents, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't have any cites, but my mom is sure wondering if there's any connection between here peacefull war protests and the fact that everytime she goes though airport security she gets the "full treatment". I'm personally not convinced, but (...) (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But not being an activist is still no guarantee. The Sacramento NBC affiliate did a story about two men -- one a school teacher, the other a truck driver-- who were detained at Sac International simply for having the same fairly common name as (...) (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) C /only/biggest/ and I'm totally on board with that. The French don't scare me much, frankly (er, sorry about that :-) ). (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I realize how some people here will interpret this but if peaceful means (protesting, legal action, etc.) are being covertly outlawed, then it is getting awful close to the time when it will be neccessary invoke our second amendment right in (...) (21 years ago, 4-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And very closely related to this story... US anti-war activists hit by secret airport ban (URL) After more than a year of complaints by some US anti-war activists that they were being unfairly targeted by airport security, Washington has (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Many thanks, Lar! That's the stuff. And I used to read some of that mag online too... Yeah, social engineering is a big gap in security -- and always will be, that's why it almost always works. My information belongs to me, and in the EU AND the (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bully, you mean? (...) Lead article in this month's Reason: (URL) both the cite request for loss of privacy and the cite request for denial of right to travel. Note that now that the feds took over, there no longer is the valid defence of "try (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote (...) I will grant that the threat isn't demonstrable, except of course, the carnage perpetrated on 9-11. The problem is that the potential threat is so horrific that if it isn't pre-emptively (...) (21 years ago, 3-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, no, the Barbary Pirates were like cockroachs. They hung around for quite some time despite numerous people trying to wipe them out. Once the Pax Brittanica began they were finally surpressed (another parallel for your example with the (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And the enemy was actually defeatable, unlike now. Also, I don't see that Jefferson limited citizens rights during this period; but if I am in error I stand ready to be educated of that fact. I am not wholly unwilling to make some compromises (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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