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(...) Oops. (...) Foreign agency? Never heard a terrorist group called that before (you learn something everyday indeed). I did forget about the military/civilian distinction though, so 9-11 is a much greater tragedy in that respect. -Stefan- (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pentagon retaliates against GIs who spoke out on TV (URL) "It was the end of the world," said one officer Thursday. "It went all the way up to President Bush and back down again on top of us. At least six of us here will lose our careers." (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lawsuit for killing a person that was allergic to the medication you gave him. "Hey, the database said penicillin was okay. How were we to know he was extremely allergic to it?" -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) this takes hold within our borders, I suppose we can expect that anyone who chooses not to receive the chip will be aiding the terrorists. In other news: (URL)those who want to send a message to President Bush must now navigate as many (...) (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, "we" have already been proven wrong. Rumsfeld pretty much guaranteed us that the WoMD were stockpiled in and around Tikrit and Baghdad, and these have been shown to be false. Honestly, this is the best part in my opinion: (...) Which (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) She! And if she hears you call her a he, she'll probably stomp your butt! (...) Fair enough. Let me re-characterize it as the worst tragedy inflicted on US soil by a foreign agency. We have yet to see how many lives are lost in its wake, and (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From the "this-guy's-a-moron" dept. (URL) won't be proven wrong," Bush said. "I believe that we will find the truth. And the truth is he was developing a program for weapons of mass destruction." " The "truth" before the war-- "We know SH has WoMD, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hmm...Very well put. -Stefan- (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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A White House Smear (URL) Did senior Bush officials blow the cover of a US intelligence officer working covertly in a field of vital importance to national security--and break the law--in order to strike at a Bush administration critic and (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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That's right, I'm back! The frogman that never sleeps! Anyway, I saw this on Slashdot and couldn't help but be impressed (it's somewhere in there, down about two-thirds of the way from the bottom): (URL) But it seems we are heading into two (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Stefan Garcia wrote: ¦ The world has hated and distrusted Americans for a lot longer than 2 years. I disagree with you here. The world doesn't necessarily "hate" the US, and even the distrust you mention is not universal. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Let's talk about the plusses of socialism. Let's talk about the minuses of capitalism. Let's talk about the problems with Constitutionalism Let's talk about the 'best democracy that money can buy'. (...) Dave K (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, that's always been a bit confusing. Americans don't like others, the country is built on the backs of those "others" that came here...etc. (...) See above. Americans are xenophobic. Especially now. I could attribute that to the majority (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) LOL maybe we need lugnet.off-topic.rant...... ROSCO (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Glad to be here! :^p (...) It was necessary to protect the chain of command, remember. They didn't know if there'd be a follow-up attack of some sort. (...) The world has hated and distrusted Americans for a lot longer than 2 years. (...) You (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well duh it's colonialism. :^p As for the other big business/oil money/rigged election stuff, I'm keeping my nose out of that. I don't know enough about it to make an educated comment. -Stefan- (21 years ago, 18-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Most country songs are plain-spoken but he has a point about at least commitment to an effort. (...) It goes a bit too extreme for my tastes in some areas, but definitely a good and pointful song. Ah, the golden age of railroads. A simpler (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why make it a game? Just look at the numbers. Which country has the most people trying to get to her shores? (...) Xenophobic views of the rest of the world???? Let's talk about your skewed perception of the US first! JOHN (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Have you seen how your version of 'democracy' is doing right now? Let's play a game--let's ask people around the world whether they want to be a insert their country here or an American. That would be a poll I'd love to see. Riots in the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Very quitely, House Republicans have defeated a call for an independent investigation of the 9/11. Strangely, I can't find anything on CNN.com, FoxNews.com, or NYTimes.com. As Hop-Frog has pointed out, Whitewater took over $100 million to find out (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richard had made this point a while ago elsewhere and I admit that its truth gave me pause. I still think that liberating the Iraqis was a morally good thing to do, but I agree that we cannot force them to accept Freedom and Democracy. It is (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm getting exactly what I expected: we rolled over Saddam's army in record time with stunningly little losses, but now the venture is increasingly looked on as neo-colonialism (oh hey, let's siphon off a little of that oil because we are due (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here for ya Hoppy! Dave K (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Kooties and Dave! save me so much trouble sometimes. What swell guys! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To reply (again...) From the Democratic Underground website (partisan, I know, but if the points are valid, who cares where the source is from?) " For some time, many on the Left have been using a working hypothesis about the invasion of Iraq. (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Stephan, welcome to the show that never ends! <snip> I'm sure that this stuff I just snipped has been addressed elsewhere in o.t-d, and I'm sure some will bring it up again... so I'll leave that if he could. He is a bit of a klutz though, (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Stefan Garcia wrote: **snip** (...) Are you talking about this? (URL) I dunno. YMMV, but it's a bit trite for my tastes, like Alan Jackson's over-praised effort. Anyway, I'd recommend checking out Ani Difranco's "Self (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Upload a File, Go to Prison (URL) A new bill proposed in Congress on Wednesday would land a person in prison for five years and impose a fine of $250,000 for uploading a single file to a peer-to-peer network. GOP Attorneys General Asked For (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hi all, Just wanted to vent/share some of my frustration with people about the ongoing Iraq war. So with that warning... To all the media, populace, and politicians whining about the war going on too long and having too many American (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's actually not true, or at any rate it's only true insofar as you can become a manager in no time for $7.50 an hour or less, along with guaranteed straight-rate overtime, minimal benefits, and minimal job security. (...) Given the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, they're not. In most cases menial work like that is available part-time only so that the employer can avoid granting an employee much by way of the benefits that usually go to full-time workers only. Plus, how do you realistically explain (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mostly that statement was based from a women I used to work with who grew up in North Philadelphia and basicly told me as much. She litterally told me that they should just drop a bomb on the whole area because most of them (her relatives (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How badly do you want out of your situation? McDonalds is hiring. Seriously. Your wife could presumably (if college educated or reasonably hard working, (and she must have been smart to select such as yourself Dave!)) become a manager in no (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Prison Industry Has a Lock on Davis (URL) Davis has slashed just about every state-funded program, including education, health care and workforce development. But one institution seems to be immune from the epidemic belt-tightening: prisons. With (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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US faces Iraq 'guerrilla war' (URL) One soldier at the scene of Wednesday's convoy blast wept and another raked the ground with machine gun fire. "We need more protection. We've seen enough. We've stayed in Iraq long enough," one soldier travelling (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) *snip* (...) Most sharply-biased (in either direction) media sources hope that the audience never makes the connection that you point out, and all too often thats exactly what happens. It's interesting that a common conservative tactic is to (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I wasn't overly impressed with the nature of the rhetoric or information at those links either. And while I can't speak for the specifics of what Mr. P was referring to, something similar to it can be found here: We Have Met the Wealthy, and They (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I dispute that statistic as non-representative of reality. Do you have a citation? Alternatively, if you're just making a rhetorical specultion, that's fine, but you need to disclaim it as such. And again, let's distinguish Federal assistance (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Grassroots Uprising Fights to Protect Rights and Freedoms (URL) In October 2001, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act setting aside many of our individual freedoms for the sake of fighting terrorism. Since then, I've worried about what's happening to (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah so they are both full of crap. (...) I agree, that is basicly what my indended meaning was. (...) Nothing, however for the 1 person like her there are 100 that are just leaching off the system. Half my aunts and uncles come to mind. I am (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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