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      Hi all, 
 
Just wanted to vent/share some of my frustration with people about the ongoing 
Iraq war.  So with that warning... 
 
To all the media, populace, and politicians whining about the war going on too 
long and having too many American casualties...WHAT ELSE DO YOU EXPECT IN A 
MILITARY CONFLICT!?!?  We're INVADING a foreign country in an area with 
Anti-American sentiment, suspicious of our true purposes.  Compare this war to 
the Korean war or Vietnam or just about any conflict prior to Gulf War I, and 
the numbers pale.  And U.S. forces did succeed already in toppling Saddam's 
rule. 
 
To all the Iraqis whining that things were actually better when Saddam kept 
order, the road to freedom and independence is a hard and rocky one.  At least 
now they can speak freely, even about how they don't like us. 
 
To all the soldiers over there whining that they're tired of the govt screwing 
with 'em and that they don't want to be over there anymore; tough.  Despite 
their training, they're exhibiting the same kind of selfish damned Americanism 
that makes the rest of the world dislike (if not hate) us.  Tireless service to 
their country is what they signed up for when they signed up for the army. 
Getting to use the Abrams is just a perk. 
 
To all those saying Bush is an idiot for going to war and that he lied to us; I 
disagree.  If there's one guy whose head should get lopped off for this, it's 
Tenet (Dir., CIA).  That guy is a weasel, not to be trusted.  Remember those 
Senate hearings a while back?  I saw a bit of them on C-Span or some such, and 
he barely managed to hide his contempt for the senators.  I *personally* think 
he was trying to get Bush out of office and that this is all blowing up in his 
face.  The thing most people don't seem to understand or remember is that Bush 
is a Texan.  As such, he has a different vocabulary than Clinton.  He's not an 
idiot, he's just less formal.  I'm sure he'd wear a Stetson in the White House 
if he could.  He is a bit of a klutz though, but that's a personality trait. 
Everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten that he helped lead the country 
through one of the toughest days in recent American history (9-11) <*>. 
 
Also, to anyone whining that we were too careless in bombing Iraq, we loaded the 
B-52s with cruise missiles, not the massive load of sticks it can carry instead. 
And we probably would've gotten Saddam if we'd carpet-bombed the heart of 
Baghdad. 
 
Which reminds me, to all those whining that we aren't finding any of those 
"weapons of mass destruction," remember that because Bush chose to go to the UN 
and try to get it's backing first, good 'ol Saddam had an additional, what, 2-3+ 
months to stash the weapons.  Add that of course to the DECADE he had already 
had, knowing no doubt that one day we would come back to do what we should've 
done in 1991, when his Army lay in ruins and the road to Baghdad lay open.  Oh, 
and he had already proved more than willing to use chemical weapons (against the 
Kurds, the Iranians, and possibly against American troops). 
 
So in conclusion; even if the all mighty United States, the only world power 
left, starts a war, there is no telling how long it will really last, especially 
when there is no element of surprise.  The very nature of war prohibits making 
such a prediction. 
 
-Stefan- 
 
<*> Check out the song, "Have You Forgotten," it rings quite true. 
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  |  In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Stefan Garcia wrote: **snip** (...) Are you talking about this? (URL) I dunno. YMMV, but it's a bit trite for my tastes, like Alan Jackson's over-praised effort. Anyway, I'd recommend checking out Ani Difranco's "Self (...)   (22 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)   
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  |  (...) Hi Stephan, welcome to the show that never ends! <snip> I'm sure that this stuff I just snipped has been addressed elsewhere in o.t-d, and I'm sure some will bring it up again... so I'll leave that if he could. He is a bit of a klutz though, (...)   (22 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)   
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  |  (...) To reply (again...) From the Democratic Underground website (partisan, I know, but if the points are valid, who cares where the source is from?) " For some time, many on the Left have been using a working hypothesis about the invasion of Iraq. (...)   (22 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)   
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  |  (...) I'm getting exactly what I expected: we rolled over Saddam's army in record time with stunningly little losses, but now the venture is increasingly looked on as neo-colonialism (oh hey, let's siphon off a little of that oil because we are due (...)   (22 years ago, 17-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)   
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