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(...) Okay, I'm not exactly sure what angle you're coming from, but I'm just hoping you're not acting on the implication that 'most people'- I'm assuming you mean american - spend their time watching TV or preoccupation with a job. I can't (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well - I was serious, but I have a feeling something like this might be a logistical nightmare. Does anyone have any experience organising anything like this? I seem to recall a similar suggestion was put forward for African kids a while back, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But why does some "commander" have to make a decision? The tank commander is a "commander". If a tank commander can't make immediate decisions, then how can you argue that anyone short of the chief can make decisions? Does a private have to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I may be missing something, but the way I'm reading it, you're saying that we might as well not critically think about things because sometimes the masses will choose the wrong action, thus, since it's a total crap shoot as to whether a good (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I did say "is rapidly getting pointless" not "is pointless" or "has been pointless". I think we have reached the point where everyone is starting to repeat themselves by repeating themselves. The only way out of the impasse at this point (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good idea. I'm in, if you're for real. Pedro (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's an idea - why doesn't everyone donate a few bricks, and we collect it all into one big crate, and ship it off to the Iraqi kids? Sure water's probably more important to them right now, but hey they need toys to play with too. ROSCO (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That decision is easy to take. In a few words, the tanks can fall back to point "A", where no mortar can reach. (...) Indeed. (...) Sorry, I misread. My bad. (...) But I'm not advocating delay under exposure - that's why I say fall back, (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great job Bruce, you were able to nail down two of my biggest problems with the Republican party, the reason I am an independant instead. You also summed them up very nicely. I agree the government should not reserve the right to kill it's (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not too hard: too slow. Shells are dropping. Mortars require a spotter. As I said, there are circumstances where you can't shilly-shally (delay, stall, avoid positive action). Oops! Just lost B company, maybe we can make a group decision, show (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We are perfectly free to kill each other, government took away that right (okay, hoarded it for itself, if you wanna be picky). We are perfectly free to take that other person's stuff, and government took away that right (same caveat). In a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is more than one way to take an objective. This approach, if proven too hard, could be abandoned for a better one. (...) That situation you refer as possible would present an interesting possibility: to wait, out of range. A hospital is (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I agree with some parts of your argument, but I find much of your argument to be egotistic and bordering on offensive. Humanity is born into freedom, if you are a religious person it is a gift from God, if not it is a natural endowment. Governments (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ouch! This, from the guy who claims to throw me on the "respect" heap. Cold water, indeed... Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cold water shriveled your post, I suppose? Oooooooo, sorry, does, that count as comment? -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was in the pool! Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your post isn't short but is as long as anyone's? Absolutely, positively no comment. ;-) -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are only two *effective* parties, unless one wants to count the indirect effect of altering the national debate (Greens and Libertarians). But yes, the Republicrats have put up barriers to organizing new parties. It's bad because it (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What are you talking about? My posts are as long as anyone's. Dave! (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa. Let me state that the three people's opinions that I most respect and enjoy reading are yours, Pedro's, and Lindsay's (okay, maybe throw Dave! in there, though he can get a little short at times (as if I'm better <g>)). This is one of (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're on the right track, but (if you'll forgive me) I think your assessment misses the real problem. Bush and Ashcroft and Cheney and the rest (and Clinton et al, to be fair) know EXACTLY what rights are, and that's why they're working so (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. In case an RPG had been fired, people (near it) in the hotel would have been able to tell and run away. And the response would have been proportional. Then again, was there a sniper? (...) Would a sniper be so IDIOT to the point of (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The answer is simple: they were under fire. You can't wait around for a Delta Force team to be rounded up, briefed, assess the situation, and then make a strike. Mortar rounds are coming in *now*. I don't think asking guys in a tank to take (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is that Patriot Act? I love your answer! Sarcasm is always very funny! Indeed, if I stopped questionning the almighty and righteous american saviors, I'd have more friends, but alas! I'm not a sheep... Terry www.rotule.qc.ca (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But it doesn't make it better, because you could be wrong and all those sheeps would follow the wrong leader, just as it's the case with Bush and his followers. Your argument is biased by the fact you think (or give the impression that you (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would also add that even the people that make these laws and acts don't truly understand the meaning of them. When the founding fathers of the USA wrote the constitution, they understood far more than the present govt what "rights" mean. The (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If the sniper had fired an RPG at the tanks instead of an AK-47 (or whatever), would you likewise assert that the targeted soldiers should hunker down and wait? And, once you agree that the presence of an RPG changes things, you'll need to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not hang its butt. Just a little more observation skills, to be put to work before the shootout. (...) If I did, would I have posted? (...) You said it. Pedro (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll grant that the average person on the street isn't applying critical thinking, and probably even many of us "smart" folks take the easy way out frequently, but someone has to keep their mind open. Personally, I don't think it actually (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. (...) It's not just "wait for orders"; is "wait for superior assessment of the altered situation". The hotel, which would in abstract be a non-target, might become one AFTER command's assessment of the situation. They receive info from the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're absolutely right, Scott--we should work to keep them oppressed so that they don't have the chance to oppress anyone else. Shame on you for your xenophobic, inflammatory, and fear-mongering assertion. (...) Of course he will, if there's (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if they didn't have a special ops team? You seem to want the military to hang its butt out to avoid any possibility of injuring non-combatants. If the good guys always fought the way you seem to want them to, we wouldn't be living in (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was trying to sort through your "newspeak" yesterday, citizen, but I couldn't really connect the dots. Why don't you try to explain your position on this "holy" war to the individual pictured here: (URL) hope your god has comforts and (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then you've probably seen it. I'm still looking for the video, though. (...) I still maintain the crewmen could have chosen to look more carefully. The hotel has enough side clearance to stand isolated, so there are no distractions to it. e (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what - you soot the mosque next to the tank, or the tank? Do you shoot the hospital wards next to the AA, or the AA? Or in this case, does the tank shoot at the MoI (target), or the hotel some 100+ meters from it? (...) Precisely. Those are (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Terry is 100% right. One thing though: the details of the anti-war side are hard to discuss because every point is at least a sub-argument. Nothing is a given because some things remain speculative because the only available knowledge is outside (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, but it puts you in the center of the crosshairs. With a Patriot Act that may never expire maybe we can some day figure out a way to reach across the border and drag you down here to suffer the penalty of U.S. law. Collaborator. You are (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Frank, do you really think the people who are expressing stupid opinions such as : "USA is supported by God" or "SH is the Devil and we HAD to get rid of him, there was NO other solution!!!" will listen to any good argument? They are blind to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, the war isn't a waste of time, so we should just go on about our business and not talk about it and build some LEGO instead? Personally, while I think some of the opinions are wrong here, I think it's good to talk about what's going on. (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do they have to wait for orders from above for ANY threat? How far up do they have to go to wait for orders? Does each soldier have to call Bush (commander in chief) on the phone before shooting someone who might be a non-combatant? Soldiers (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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