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(...) So you believe that Iraq had agressive intentions towards the US in the immediate future? That this country, which couldn't send a missle 800 miles outside their borders was well on its way to threaten the peace, security and "freedom and (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure that they are necessarily mutually exclusive. The ultimate self-interest motive in our war against Saddam is the self-preservation of our way of life which is all about Freedom and Liberty. If you are referring to motives like oil (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol so now we are demonized because we don't stick our collective nose in *everywhere*?! (...) *YET*! That's the *WHOLE* point. (...) And why does NK have nukes? The UN forbade it. What exactly *can* we do at this point? One doesn't just go in (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely. It's called overextending yourself. Spread yourself thinly enough, gamble enough, and you may find yourself in the position of the snail getting salt dumped on him. You dissolve. And Empire means spreading yourself thin hoping you (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Actually I was trying to imply without saying it that I consider Larry a friend and I respect his opinions, when he lists them ;) My friends and I are always, "Put up or shut up", "Put your money where your mouth is", when we (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, that's not just you-- I agree with you! I'd probably say "Lion's share", but that's just me:-) (...) Accepted. (...) Ahem. Don't confuse the terms Democracy and Freedom with Capitalism-- they aren't necessarily interchangeable. JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) Eh, like those cutsey posters, everything I need to know for life I learned in either kindergarden or from watching Star Trek. Never leave tribbles unattended! Dave K (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Snip out all the stuff. Whatever. If your gov't is allowing oppression in certain countries because it suits your countrys needs and wants, and yet goes to wars with other countries because it suits your needs--I like how Iraq is an American (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, Larry has a "tiresome" way of asserting the existence of some arguments that should silence us all, but then never actually putting any of these things into words. It's as if he sits there smug and superior, knowing all and revealing (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, and I apologize. The America-centric vibe I get from John's posts slanted my readings. I would have said something like, "There are many countries that have contributed 'blessings' to the world, and America has had it's fair share." But (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How obtuse can you be??? We are talking about *governments*. Free and democratic societies are superior to repressed ones ruled by dictators. What about that is so hard to understand? JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave: for clarity's sake, let me point out that John is objecting (not incorrectly) to your charge that he is painting the US as the sole provider of blessings, when in fact he merely asserted that the US has produced countless blessings. For (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, your very posts show me that "America the Great" is what matters, and other ideas be damned. (...) Now look who's misreading--I never said "morally equivelance" at all. Would you please read and understand what is being said. In so many (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is not a straw man at all, Larry, and I'm sorry that you're tired. But when you are wrong, you're wrong. You have no issues pointing out when I'm wrong (or others), and I have no problems accepting such criticism. But *a* country has the same (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did I say that? You are obfuscating and being argumentative. (...) I don't even know what that is supposed to mean. (...) I reject your moral equivelance of nations. The second we think we are better is the second that there are second class (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolute Wow! for the article, Richard. Just to start a different debate, one of a more political nature, and one where I don't have an opinion (yet ;) )... Will, or could, the "American Empire" fall, much akin to the former Soviet Union? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, Dave. Some nations are better than others. That's no slur against those who happen to live in the nations that aren't up to snuff. But when you say stuff like "We, all of us, are equal nations", you're being tiresome. Note that I didn't (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because I am a red-blooded american boy; living, breathing, working, and striving for all that is great and good for my world; and because I am committed to a larger project which takes the downturns and the upswings with a grain of salt; (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More important that 'freedom toast'-- "Two U.S. officials also said Iraqi dissidents slated to take prominent roles in any postwar administration have voiced concerns about the U.N.'s role. "The U.N. has a history of slow, bloated bureaucracy (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Also on CNN today: Bush rallies troops at Central Command in Florida (URL) Air Force One on the flight to Tampa, the breakfast menu included stuffed "Freedom Toast," the latest example of changing menus to show displeasure with (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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