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(...) Good. Because if you go down that road it opens up a whole topic about crackpots... in every party... which I think we can skip, ne? However I think there IS an interesting topic in there, which is this, where should a smaller party draw the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe it's time for me to be a little foolish maybe. I think as long as they know we could revolt, there is likely to never be the actual need to do so -- rather like the concept of mutually assured destruction. I don't think they'll (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't be too hard on yourself -- it's REALLY hard to know what is going on without accessing more international sources. And it doesn't matter the source -- almost ALL media is controlled, and usually by people with hefty wallets. You have to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are certainly places where teachers should be making more money. Schools though, waste huge sums of money in an attempt to educate. There are (private) schools that do a better job for less money without depriving the teachers. Maybe the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Armed rebellion...at least for a little while yet. Chris (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, I'll be able to walk the dog, the cat, the bird, AND the ferret?!? Oh no..... Bruce (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, Dave! We should stick to pertinent topics propounded by the Libertarians. I mean, what Californian could forget candidate for Lt. Gov. Pat Wright's pet issue? (URL) C. (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well after reading that enlightening (for lack of a more suitable description) article, I now see that my previous opinion of; "liberating the Iraqi people would be a good idea," was nothing more than delusional idealism. Idealism truly is a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now, now! I'm far from a Libertarian apologist, but even I recognize the folly of judging a group by the silliness of one (or a few) of its members (though it may be a lot of fun!). It's much more rhetorically sound to address the tenets of a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorely tempted to make a wisecrack about what this says about the intelligence of libertarians, but I will refrain. Colloidal silver, indeed. --Bill. (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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While the schools themselves may not need money (that's debatable for many areas - if a school is falling apart from lack of money for basic maintenance along with much-needed upgrades, it needs money), the teachers do. If a teacher cannot afford to (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's going to take a while to digest all this info, may take more than one reading to get the full scope, but ditto to what Dave! just said. Welcome to the American Empire, where the liberties and freedoms of individuals anywhere in the world (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is, sadly, the exact kind of helplessness and futility that Scott and I were discussing in the other thread. I can read all of this, and it certainly seems consistent with what we know of Bush (eg: stolen elections and questionable (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and it appears Bush's geography is little better. The other night he said: ==+== We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or (...) (22 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Care enough" is hard to quantify, but I really don't know what the average citizen can do. Even organizing a rally or a letter-writing campaign seems unworkable in the timeframe available, and we've already seen that Bush is happy to detain (...) (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There were moments in Dubya's speech where he was downright eloquent, but for the most bit, I found he just grated on my nerves. There was once or twice when he almost said word for word stuff from Bartlett's speech from this years season (...) (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) apathetic (adjective): lacking interest or energy; unwilling to take action esp. over a matter of importance Perhaps (the collective) you just does not care enough? 32% of my countrymen support an attack on Iraq. I’d bet half of them could not (...) (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not at all! I'm quite upset about it, but I still recognize the futility. I suspect that many of My Fellow Americans feel the same. "Apathy" suggests that we don't care, when in fact we do (some, very strongly). I know you're semi-kidding (...) (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If true, I would view that as a rather apathetic outlook. ;) (...) Indeed, the need to conform is strong. ;) (...) I prefer to let the UN vote on it. After all, your servicemen are old enough to decide what is right or wrong. (...) People who (...) (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I would say that it stems from an awareness that someone has already made up Bush's mind to attack Iraq, as well as an awareness of the futility of trying to prevent it. Anyone who even suggests that we should wait before rushing in (...) (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A combination of a need to conform and political apathy. Scott A (22 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: (Deleting a whole lot of things I agree with.) The contradiction with the dictionary (...) Please note that I am only using the names Beavis and Butthead in the next paragraph to differentiate (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've mentioned before, and I'm happy to reiterate here, that you've done vastly more reading on the subject than I, and I am therefore given to accept much of what you interpret the 2nd amendment to say. But if the issue as cut-and-dried as (...) (22 years ago, 5-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that it _is_ becoming common knowledge. That's why he's grasping at straws. Chris (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you see this, and you're slowly convincing me that your interpretation of what's going on is true, so now I see it, how come this isn't common knowledge to the rest of the masses? What's going on? How can the first ammendment be "taking a (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Participation in a conspiracy is dangerous stuff. There are always loose ends that you can't tie up. That's why big awful conspiracies that require lots of secrecy and participation are silly. Acting President Bush is, I believe, worried that (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) THere was a report on my local NPR (NW Ohio) this morning that some company is marketing a similar cure for West Nile Virus as well. Maybe mosquitos can't see you in that spectrum? -c (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jason Spears writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Thanks for the heads up! Much appreciated. And your p.s.--first rate! Dave K. (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Well here is what WebMD has to say about argyria: (URL) appears that the silver posioned him, causing a condition where his pigment is different, not just an alteration to a couple layers of skin. (...) -Jason PS - I am not a Doctor, nor do I (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) OMGoodness!! Oh I want to be blue!! Say I'm an Andorian with my antennae lopped off! If there is anyone who knows something about medicine and hte human body--if someone drank this silver solution to the point where their skin turned blue, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Not to boil it down to the lowest possible common denominator... (URL) denies having weapons of mass destruction, and its U.N. ambassador, Mohammed Aldouri, suggested Sunday his country could allow inspectors access even to the presidential sites (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wouldn't that be a great way to seperate the real medicine from the Dr. Schlob's Instant Cure? Fake cure-all's do some sort of permanent change, like turning your skin blue, or stamping "sucker" on your forehead. If *I* was in charge of the (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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John & All, (...) That's all well and fine, John, but regardless of you being a history major, etc. it is not on topic for Star Wars, and I for one do not want to see this kind of thing where it doesn't belong, because of the possiblity of having (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Chris & All, (...) Because it did not belong in Star Wars. If this thread continues, I hope it would be in it's appropriate group, because of the political / historical aspect to it. If people want tot alk about this, feel free to do so here, but (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) These two paragraphs are the crux of the issue, for me. We might add a third permutation and ask: if the author creates a work intended to stir social change, but it doesn't, is it still propaganda? That seems like a suitable opposite of your (...) (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What the?! (URL) like a candidate who knows a nostrum when he sees it! If Browne can't do it, maybe blue can! Dave! (22 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I remember in January '86 when the shuttle blew up--the news preempted all the soaps for the afternoon to cover the terrible accident. Then the tv stations received many nasty letters and phone calls from irate viewers who were angry that they (...) (22 years ago, 6-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Certainly advertising is by nature propagandist. There seems like a critical difference between a piece of fiction that is written solely to entertain and one that is written with underlying political/religious/...l/whatever messages that are (...) (22 years ago, 6-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the bigger question is: What isn't propagandized? Isn't all advertising propaganda? Isn't every book propaganda? Every medium's main purpose is to promote its ideas. Isn't the very promotion of ideas propaganda? (22 years ago, 6-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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