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(...) You say "no", but you mean "yes". The state issued license in the example I gave did not prevent this driver from driving. Your assertion just proves my point, licenses do not prevent unsafe driving. (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? Isn't the beloved Constitution of the United States of America, plus ammendments, a compilation of general regulations? And isn't your freedom to criticize regulations DUE to regulations? :-) (...) Ok, what would you complement that (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (snipped) (...) And what if you *don't* have a choice? (again, removed loc.pt) Pedro (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Road and rail should each be cut from subsidy. Chris (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please state all the changes that WOULD make it safer. I don't think you're going to convince me that it would be safer without requiring licenses, even with the threat of lawsuits left and right. There are already too many people driving (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. The sense of the driver will. If he has lost sense, then he is likely to have lost the ability to drive as well. But two things can further complicate this: Not that many people reach that age, and I know someone who is 80 and keeps (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would *not* want to pay. He should pay for his own incarceration to the maximum extent possible, but when he cannot we must pay to keep him there in order to protect ourselves. (...) The child starves to death. (...) No they should not. But (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In general, yes. (...) If that was the only change, yes. But I'm not advocating that one change alone, so no. (...) I can say yes to that question, because in general I am satisfied that regulations do not significantly lower risk, but rather, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) You don't have to say hello each time, especially when you're saying hello to someone else than the post author. :-) (I wrote this one) (...) If you had a choice are you going to use the road that cares or the one that doesn't? You forget the (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) Arguably, no. Not on a rights based calculus. But see Friedman (1) who argues that rights based calculus breaks down at the edges (asserting your right not to ingest one molecule of extra CO2 due to a car near but not on your property is a bit (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I had heard 1.0 B, or 1/5 (which is 1.2 and increasing I guess)... (...) (1) What do you (or, most especially, others) think of this: (URL) seems to be advancing a number of arguments that taken together say that islam is NOT peaceful, or at (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Because this is an Israel Palestine thread now, I thought I'd toss this in: (URL) this (URL) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would agree with that. However I expect the truth value of what the coalition says to be a bit higher (they will omit rather than lie, I would expect... not always, but much more than the Taleban) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, everything has its drawbacks. Even horses pollute. For that matter, so do cyclists... -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this may be a bit of a stretch, Dan, and saying it isn't going to convince many people of the justness of your cause. By the way, I think I may have missed your answer to my question about the original UN resolution creating Israel. (I (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) I am equally undecided in my judgement of what is going on. ;-) The good news is: Four weeks after 911, there has been no overreaction. Instead, diplomatic pressure really seems to have had a significant effect. Enough to NOT (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, you must be really opposed to ANY type of regulation, if this is the type of argument you use: (...) No regulation ever solves any problem 100% completely. But don't you think there would be a lot MORE unsafe drivers on the road WITHOUT (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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Hello Chris, (...) Why should they? They will probably make sure that whoever drives on them will be held liable for what he does to the road. But why should the road company care for other drivers? (...) Unless companies are shielded from their (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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Hello Scott, while I agree to some thoughts of your analysis, I have to oppose this one: (...) In no way does bin Laden or the Taliban stand for more freedom. Look at Iran and, even worse, Afghanistan. Only the leaders are enjoying freedom there. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) Making money is not one of your freedoms? Or you don't make money a the expense of the one worldwide environment we have? You pay fair prices for the goods you import from the third world? There are no people starving in Somalia, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can't really mean that, can you? (...) Yes. Give the state sponsors of terrorism a seat too, that seems fair to me. ++Lar (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, (...) Now, this is exactly where we differ. While you seem to always look at the situation from the imprisoned father's perspective, I see the child to be an innocent victim of the father. And if you feel as a victim just because you (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Chris, (...) And you really feel more private then? They will even be able to know which types of products you buy. Theoretically. (...) Maybe it's different in the US, but here not everyone HAS a driver's license. I don't see much difference (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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Hello Chris, (...) I understand that this is the current situation. But why would you want to maintain it exactly this way? What makes driving different from bearing arms? Why is it acceptable to require permission for one but not the other? (...) (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, I know of the work of Human Rights Watch, but who funds eurasianet? I couldn't find any references on their site. Thanks. There are dozens of tribes in the region and you can't tell who's doing what to whom without a detailed scorecard. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? I'd say a bunch of foreigners invading, terrorizing and running out the native population in the name of religion is pretty bad. Bulldozing those people's homes--pretty bad. Mortar attacks, helicopter gunship attacks, cluster bombs, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Every country in the U.N. Secruity Council has dirt under the nails, Syria is no better or worse. Actually, having Syria there is may at least "balance the ticket" in a way. Syria has also been the victim of Israeli occupation so obviously Israel (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Come now Dan. If OBL did do this. And some Palestinians do support him. I think saying some Palestinians *resent* America is putting it lightly. (...) Israel is bad Dan. Israel is very bad. They are not quite as bad as the Taliban. Although it (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped> It's all one big, ugly mess. However, it comes as no surprise to me that some Palestinians, after years of American supported Israeli occupation and brutality, would praise Bin Laden. It would be different if America WAS actually (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, Chris and I were talking about protecting *human rights*. You, in the text I quoted, are talking about protecting *your rights*. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jarring title. When you said PA, I thought you meant the Press Asscoation: (URL) will be interesting what sort of news comes out of Afghanistan in the coming days. With so little independent collaboration on the ground (less than there was in Iraq) (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That would be me. No inconsistency there. Because, after all the whole triage thing only applies to nations that are causing major threats to materialise. Unlike Somalia for example. (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From (URL) start - The Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) also tried to quell expressions of support for the Saudi exile accused of leading the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States. In Gaza City, police fired tear gas, wielded clubs (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. So who said this: ==+== I have never supported foreign intervention for any reason other than a selfish one, to wit, that it was the only way to defend our own citizens at home. ==+== Scott A (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip good ref material> My point exactly. They're just different thugs, not necessarily *better* thugs. If I had 4 choices: 1. do nothing and hope for the best. 2. politicoeconomic campaign that causes the Taliban to eventually fall (as the (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps we owe them a little? (...) If you don't like a law you should work to change it, not ignore it. (...) How can we justify just looking at the easy problems? (...) I agree. (...) Should we not be ashamed that we have not helped before (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect there are Rolls Royce’s too. (...) What is your wealth based on then? The 'wealth' of native Americans? The slave trade? (...) If Saudi-Arabia were to democratically vote for a Government which is "bad" (as Israel already has) then (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They did offer to work with us more if we showed the some evidence - a smart move on their part. We refused. It should have went to the UN. Instead we have ignored international law (as I understand it) and bombed them. Let's all hope the (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Read around Larry, they are little better. They are know to rape women in the towns they capture. More here: (URL) many Afghans are anxious to see an end to Taliban rule, they remain feaful about the prospect of a return of the Northern (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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