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Hello Chris,
> > I remembered a funny use for it: when I rent skis it is required to leave
> > the ID as a deposit. this way they can prosecute me if I steal the skis.
> > Again, reasonable: if I don't behave, they can bill me. Fair enough.
>
> I leave my debit card number with them.
And you really feel more private then? They will even be able to know which
types of products you buy. Theoretically.
> > For instance, it is practical to find criminals on the run AND you can prove
> > you are not one, by simply showing the card if you are confused by a less
> > clever officer.
>
> I might choose to do that. But I can just do that with my drivers license.
Maybe it's different in the US, but here not everyone HAS a driver's
license. I don't see much difference between showing a driver's license and
an ID card.
> I have been needlessly hassled by police. I have seen people
> brutalized by police for "talking back." I have little respect for the
> profession.
All of this happens in the country that claims to have the best civil rights
and the best implementation of democracy? How come your government can't
change that? Getting back to the original topic of the thread, how come your
government seems to feel it needs to intervene in the rest of the world,
rather than fixing things at home?
> > If there is a Police force, legitimated by the society, it is VERY
> > reasonable they can ask for proof of identity!
>
> If they have probable cause to suspect me of commission of a crime, then I
> agree.
If this is the only way you find criminals, this explains a lot about the US
;->. But seriously, why is it that you in the US seem to think it's
unreasonable to randomly ask people for their identity at certain places?
> What is unreasonable about the strip search?
In certain situations, it may actually be necessary, but I would be opposed
to random execution at train stations ;-). Unlike the ID card thing.
Greetings
Horst
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