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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Horst Lehner writes:
> > I have been needlessly hassled by police. I have seen people
> > brutalized by police for "talking back." I have little respect for the
> > profession.
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> All of this happens in the country that claims to have the best civil rights
> and the best implementation of democracy? How come your government can't
> change that? Getting back to the original topic of the thread, how come your
> government seems to feel it needs to intervene in the rest of the world,
> rather than fixing things at home?
I don't know. They never seem to consult me when making these decisions.
Please do not assume that because I live here, I support many actions of the
government. I am fairly disenfranchised, if you haven't noticed.
> > > If there is a Police force, legitimated by the society, it is VERY
> > > reasonable they can ask for proof of identity!
> >
> > If they have probable cause to suspect me of commission of a crime, then I
> > agree.
>
> If this is the only way you find criminals, this explains a lot about the US
> ;->.
Oh? What does it explain? The only thing I see, is why we continue to love
our country even with all our cons. We do have more freedom, and we value it
highly.
> But seriously, why is it that you in the US seem to think it's
> unreasonable to randomly ask people for their identity at certain places?
Because my rights trump, in most cases, the priveleges of the government. Only
when there is a plausible threat to the peace of the many may my rights be laid
aside for investigation and possible punishment. The power to randomly hassle
people can easily be abused. And it is.
Chris
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| (...) (snipped) (...) More freedom than whom? And we *also* love our own respective countries, we may even love *each other's* countries so much that we want to unite 'em all! :-) Anyway, we also have cons. And we have ID's. Is it so difficult to (...) (23 years ago, 14-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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| (...) So, being asked for a proof of identity violates one of your rights? Which one? I would be opposed to any other than a very brief use of my ID information, but giving it out to briefly check whether I am on a list of wanted people seems OK (...) (23 years ago, 24-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Hello Chris, (...) And you really feel more private then? They will even be able to know which types of products you buy. Theoretically. (...) Maybe it's different in the US, but here not everyone HAS a driver's license. I don't see much difference (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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