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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
> > > > I could come up with a number of reasons that a person might not want their
> > > > parentage or maritl status broadcast. And you might just say those reasons
> > > > don't apply to you. But what about others? I don't think this is just • about
> > > > you. I don't care if anyone knows who my parents are either...at least not • off
> > > > hand. But some people might and I don't see it as my right to prevent • their
> > > > privacy.
> > >
> > > Ok, please point some reasons to me. I may even write a memo to the ID
> > > bureau here (no kidding!) if they are irrefutable.
> >
> > You might not want your parentage known under any circumstance where • parentage
> > matters. If you are a mix of ethnicities, one or more of which are
> > discriminated against, you might not want it obvious.
>
> Maybe... but then again, it is highly unlikely that any portuguese hasn't
> had ancestors of different races/ethnicites, thus noone can pick on me for
> that. Besides, names here are all alike, for all ethnicites.
Even if people come from other nations? And racism is unheard of in Portugul?
That rocks!
So basically, instead of being concerned about those who might wish to keep
their parentage private, what you are doing, is in fact, simply explaining my
objections away by saying that _you_ don't care. That's just what I predicted
above would happen.
> > If your parent is
> > (in)famous, you might not want to be hassled about being their kid.
>
> Ah, fame... I can count famous criminals in Portugal by the fingers of my
> right hand. And some fingers may not need to be used... :-)
> And fame doesn't usually hit stars' children - there are laws to prevent
> that from happening.
Ah..I see.
> > If your
> > parentage is unsure the entry might look funny.
>
> ?
What if your father's identity is unknown? What appears on your card?
> > If your parent has any kind of
> > enemies, you might not want it brought to attention that you are kin.
>
> See, that would be a good point. But if my father had enemies, it would be
> likely they would know me even without the ID...
Unless he had taken care to hide you from them by surrepititiously moving or
otherwise covering tracks.
> > You might not want your marital status scrutinized when you are in the • process
> > of changing said status (e.g. getting a divorce). Or when you are • considering
> > or attempting to attract someone sexually who might be put off by your
> > marriage. Or in situations where one status is valued above another.
>
> I won't even bother to answer to that. And if you are married, I'd suggest
> you never even tell your wife about this paragraph.
Why, in both cases?
> I can identify at will. I can go around and scream my name (before 10pm...
> :-). I am proud to be myself. So why would I not wish to be prepared to
> prove who I am?
I'm trying to explain that this isn't all about _you_. The fact that you don't
care if others know who you are doesn't mean that others might have a different
opinion on the matter. What about them? Why don't you care at all what they
want? I would prefer to give people the freedom to embroider their name on
their clothing, or not.
> According to a recent news in Portugal, it takes about 20 seconds to copy a
> card. There have been demontrations of that. A guy in France who warned the
> banks about the same was arrested (!), to silence the voices of those who
> want better card security.
> Be aware. Honest.
They still have to know my PIN.
> Criminals and mobsters are the reason for the ID. They are the ones that
> should be identified. I don't see why you'd want to protect THEM.
Well, I listed them as being those who come in contact with cops and
coincidentally live in a more dog eat dog world than do I. I don't
particularly want to protect them if they're actually doing something wrong.
But as often as not, they aren't. If there isn't a victim, then there isn't a
crime, as far as I'm concerned.
> Here, probably you would just be taken to precinct (no cuffs) and asked to
> phone someone that could prove your identity. If all were right, you could
> leave. Notice that you wouldn't be "arrested".
> I understand thins may be different in the States, it appears you follow
> procedures much more closely. The police here are given more freedom to
> improvise, and they can decide exactly who they want to trust (and how far).
I think that either your understanding of our police is faulty or things are
really messed up over there. Our police have enormous leeway in deciding how
to handle situations and they exercise judgement on a minute to minute basis.
Chris
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