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(...) In the biz, I believe that's called a wide Prophet Margin. (...) You had me up until this part--sounds too much like Amway or Scientology (the latter of which is certainly and irrefutably a religion, and not in any way a cult dreamed up by a (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Wow. A miracle! The Church of Larritarianism IS accepting applications for prophets, if you're interested. Entrance exam is way less strict than, say, the Church of the SubGenius. And for all you other sinners out there, we also (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A one week deadline for a particular event is not inconsistent with an entire series of events taking months or years to transpire. (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) all, since you have nothing to contribute. Doubt I'll get my wish though. Do you have any fact based debunking or is your entire critique a slur of the source with nothing else behind it? (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jordan as the Palestinian homeland? Yes or no, please (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have a deeper look. Under the proposed legislation, the usual standard of proof is not needed, all that is needed is to assert National Security... that's "unauthorised". Further, the current restriction to particular people or phones would be (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Amazing. Ignorance is Truth, eh? If those of us on the side of freedom think that the nutters who want to do some of these things are a small minority we are less likely to do anything to (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip some musings about the nature of principle in an unprincipled party> Here is the LP's spin on "Dr. NO", from their excellent list of net liberty resources here: (URL) J. ought to like paragraph (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sounds entirely consistent to me. The first message expressed a desire to have the existing powers-that-be in Afghanistan turn over bin Laden on their own, rather than simply rolling out NATO within the week (and without due consideration) to (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is, by definition, circular reasoning. I predict that I will attach my name at the bottom of my post--that doesn't make it prophesy. My point is that the Bible is *in no way* adequate confirmation of its own supernatural claims, and there (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what did you mean when you said this less than 4 days after the attack? ==+== Secretary Powell declined to specify what would be done but said a week deadline for all of bin Laden's organization to be turned over to the west was not (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Special Identification for Arab Americans?
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(...) It sounds like you are falling for GWB's empty rhetoric. Lets assume ObL did do this. Look at his motives (not his unjustifiable actions) and you will see that he actually wants a little more freedom and liberty in places like "Palestine" and (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Barbary Pirates indeed. Lets start by looking at the bigger picture: (URL) the 1st para: ==+== The attempt to make out that the suicide terrorists had somehow declared war and that America and its allies were entitled to wage war in return is (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GK3Mz9.90A@lugnet.com... (...) sanctions (...) that (...) (URL) Telegraph = Right Wing Rag. I prefer independent news: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well it certainly is not Palestine: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Mr L F Braun" <braunli1@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message news:GK7G2o.7z@lugnet.com... (...) . and I thought I was cynical. I think the "war" is all about GWB overreacting. The problem is that he has now painted himself into a corner. Calling this a (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hardly. Perhaps you should read you own posts. A quick search finds these 2 where you condone civilian deaths: (URL) note that in your reply, you failed to address these points: 1. Your apparent departure from your usual LP dogma. 2. Your (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) listen. (...) Facing such a terrible situation, I agree with you Alfred, That is the only way to go. The attack was done without any weapon and the result was incredibly destrucuctive. With the power of love, the greatest of all power, it is (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I agree in general, I don't think thats what I was asking. My main worry is that the Arab/Islamic nations outside of Afganistan will see this as meddling in another Islamic nations business and trying to push our ways on them. I could (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it was "squirming" (URL) I explained what I actually meant in the footnote, which seems to be close to what you say below 8?) (...) I too stated (same post) that I agree with all three variants you've presented, just not the original (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Important clarification: The link, however strongly we feel about it, is only equivalent to the Taliban "committing an act of war" by the US definition of that term. The link is still under dispute. You can't say that the Taliban committed an (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A quick summary is that Stephen Biko was a black South African under aparteid who refused to not speak out against it; this got him expelled from university for his politcal views, and turned into a fugitive by the government. He was arrested (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any right that the ruling powers of Afganistan had to accuse us of being interventionist and meddling have been forfieted by commiting an act of war against this country. They may have a problem with our support of Israel, they may have a (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, Sorry for picking on this one point that in general I agree with. I just wanted to get your (and others) opinions on a hypothetical situation. Lets say the Taliban is evil (I think Larry and I agree that it is) and a clear connection (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snippage] Yeah, you got it, and then a few additional angles that I wasn't thinking about at that moment, but which apply very well. Nicely said! I'll go for that. :D LFB (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you have a quick link or two to proffer? Something relatively short or predigested, or maybe you could do a para or two runthrough? There is so MUCH to read these days, but I haven't heard exactly why he has significance (I recall that (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It *is* semantics. But it's very important semantics. When you hear "war" today, do you think most Americans instantly think "Oh, war. Tripoli, 1801-1805. Of course." Or do they think WWII, Vietnam, or the Gulf? I'd bet dollars to donuts (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> Thanks for that perspective, all good points! I agree that the term war has been cheapened by such inane uses as WoD. (you and I both know that you and I are both opposed to it, anyway, no (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll take a shot at trying to figure out what LFB meant... I think what is being suggested is that the term "war" is cheapened when used in the manner it has been for the last three decades or so. I am referring to phrases like the "war on (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simply that today is the anniversary of Biko's funeral (his actual death was the 13th of September, his admitted death somewhere between the two). Biko's work, and his murder had a fairly profound effect on me, and I was reminded of that today (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm unsure of what the actual goal of this post is, though I like that people are reading Biko. :D Clarification? best LFB (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko, 1946-1977 (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one is particularly difficult I think. Personally I wouldn't hand out with intolerant bigots and they wouldn't want to hand out with me either. Their friends probably think as they do so they get support for their way of thinking. The (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This editorial: (URL) the point that it is not just the president that ought to be exhorting Americans to be tolerant, it's all of us. But what can we do. We can call for tolerance on discussion forums. We can tell our Muslim friends we like them as (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Ashcroft faces congressional worries over proposed law changes" (URL) They OUGHT to be worried. CNN's summary of the proposed law makes it seem innocuous, though, which is worrisome. (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidence doesn't support the "action" being pacifistic. But let's step back here. We've been wrangling and you're too stubborn to admit you're wrong about the nuances (you accused me of wriggling, all I did was try to restate things, I stand (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed, agreed... (...) Well I've just come off (or maybe still am in) a huge row with ROSCO about semantics around "pacifist" (I still don't get what point he is trying to make) so maybe this is semantics but I am not sure I understand. Why (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Horst, (...) Please replace "attack" with "action". ROSCO (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped text of news article> Uh-oh. A sign of the Apocalypse: I agree with Larry. =o Seriously, though, I hope the people who answered the poll were just not thinking straight. If not, there are more stupid people in this country than I (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dan, (...) Having the same roots doesn't make things identical. (...) Not for long, though ... (...) That they are not exactly the government of Israel? Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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