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(...) But does that resolution also indicate that certain aspects of Christianity must remain in force ("the new and everlasting covenant"), or might there be a point at which the body of believers can legitmately say "this or that is no longer (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jason J. Railton writes: <snip lots of mischaracterisation by Jason and myself> Let's try to see if we can find the common ground here. You and Ross agree with me and others that the terrorists who perpretrated this (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This isn't quite as large-scale, but a Pittsburgh radio station held a fund raiser at a local stadium and took in somewhere over $180,000.00 in just 10 hours. I don't have a link, but they announced it on-air. Dave! (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From a practicing Christian perspective, there isn't any need to adhere to Mosaic Law because our New Testament letters clearly state that Jesus did away with the Old Covenant of sacrifices and that they needn't be practiced any longer. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> The latest tally I have is 650,000.00 USD raised for the Red Cross in a media market of only 1 million, with little publicity other than on the stations themselves. (URL) anyone have tales (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But some (indeed, many) would also argue that the "ancient customs" you cite aren't appreciably any more ancient to modern times than the ancient customs practiced by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. That is, it's all pretty darned ancient, so (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm... I think I'm slipping back and forth between Paul's case(1), so you're most likely correct about his consistency. I was speaking more in the abstract, conjecturing a case in which Candidate X ran under another party by falsely professing (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. But there is no requirement to agree with the GOP platform in order to run as a GOP candidate. I haven't pored over Ron's speeches in the level of detail to be able to tell if he bit his tongue or actually came out and said "I don't (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and so on... I must admit these are pretty amusing. Well done Bruce. Just out of curiosity though, Christopher, have you got any like that that come from the New Testament? I mean, you could probably bait the fundamentalists with those OT(T) (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Chris: I can only give you my opinions as a Christian who doesn't believe in the inerrancy of scripture. Also, your questions refer to ancient customs practiced by an ancient people that have little pertinence to the modern practice of (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that if an LP member agrees with the tenets of the platform on which he is running, then he's under no conflict. If, however, he's (an abstract "he" rather than Paul) biting his tongue on major issues with which he might disagree (like (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Invite them over to a barbeque - Sacred Cow makes the best hamburger. (...) If she can fix computers, a lot. If you have to pick up her cell phone bill, minimal. (...) Wear a sign demanding that unclean women shun you. I bet it will be (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I admit I am myself ambivalent about this. But consider this... (and know that since I am not Ron Paul I am speculating. But I HAVE pored over his website to see where he stands on stuff) The Republican party makes you sign no oath, and (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is that the one where they left a Hoarse head in a bed of flowers? :-) (...) Indeed. I was listening to the radio for several hours That Day, and many of the stations were just carrying the TV network news. Amazing gaffes. Amazing resistance (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My dad forced me to see those movies. Dave! (my full and sincere apologies to Santosh for making a joke about his spelling, but that was too sweet an opportunity to miss!) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But if you were going to run for office, under which party would you do it? It's fine (and appropriate) for individuals to support such political groups as are in line with the individual's views, but when one is running for office (in the (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Have you not seen the film "The Goadfather"? Parts I,III & IV, I believe ;-) Yes point noted about the spelling, thanks, and more appreciated that you understood what I meant. Incidentally, has anyone else noticed how rather dumb some news (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that this is the stance I have been leaning towards the past year or so. I feel rather lonely in church these days as I no longer "see" as the majority of the congregation seems to. Blind faith ("dogma" I suppose) seems to work at (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Might that be because you don't play? That's *usually* my reason for not winning, although once in a while (when the expected value (of the net present value of the win after taxes) >100% of the cost to play) it is because the gods don't like (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, it's a term coined for a reason... I am ambivalent about the term. It has been misused at times but it does capture the sense that the crime is particularly senseless, that it's being carried out for reasons of hate rather than for (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes indeed. Another way to approach it is to point out that we (life in general) weren't running around looking for a universe to populate and were lucky enough to find this one; we (again, life in general) arose within this universe because (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, There is a set of biblical questions that were written by someone and have been around the net a bit. They were written as a smart-assed foil for Christian belief. But surprisingly I haven't seen serious answers. So I'm reposting them below (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're not getting it. Maybe there were 10^37 (or whatever) universal incarnations that had nothing like us occur. That's fine. You're arguing that a probability that doesn't actually have any bearing on our likelihood, does. I'm sorry, but (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A crime is a criminal act regardless of who committed it, or their reason for doing such. There is no distinction between crime spurned by hate or crime spurned by love. Hate Crimes, I imagaine, is a term created by the media to dramatise an (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Spot on. I have no beef with religion or any other dogma except when it obstructs progress. (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeh, well, it's never for me so much as for the spectators. :D (...) My only search for common ground is to get the agreement that yes, belief in religion is a matter of faith and is therefore unprovable positively *or* negatively. My aim, if (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, that's not recorded history. It's a literary chronicle--"history" as we know it today was part of the Greco-Roman tradition, not the Judaeo-Christian one. That, and the synoptic gospels have significant problems innate to their (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, if God created everything, God created evil--at least, the capacity for it. Are you implying there are limits to the power of God? Also, good and evil are subjective concepts, arrived at by consensus--though in dogmatic (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Excellent refutation. If Ian had been doing his homework reading what has been said here before maybe he wouldn't be posting essentially the same tired stuff all over again that we've all already heard. If people want to take comfort in (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not nearly so cranky as many of the others, but it's still largely based on anti-logic. Why can't it be the Hindu gods? Or why can't the Hare Krishnas be right? (...) But the physical state of the universe was quite different. We're in a (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you had been spending time reviewing past debates here you'd see that this question has been dealt with before. (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) God reserves the right to engineer events, but He makes sure to allow us to maintain our free will. Anyway it's God's universe; He can do what He wants with it. (...) You have that choice. The tree of knowledge was placed in the Garden of Eden (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I neglected to respond to this... (...) God did not create evil. Evil is indeed the absence of good, just as cold is the absence of heat, and centrifugal force is the absence of centripetal force. --Ian (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay. But this is what I say about the faith issue: God wants us to follow Him by faith. If you have absolute proof, you remove the faith option. (...) Okay. But the universe had to be initiated by something, and if it wasn't God, what was it? (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See (URL) for a start. Incidentally, Jesus was God in the flesh, and we have the recorded history right in the Bible. <snip> (...) Possibly so. But then the hijackers would be making the accusations. God loves even them so much that He does (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Refer to the post I just put up: (URL) There is more, if you're interested. (...) You'll get your wish, eventually. When we die, we all face God. And at the end of the age, God will descend from Heaven in glory to set up His kingdom on earth. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Does God Exist? (was Re: Mercy? (was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer))
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(...) So, here's how I like to see it. If God started everything off, what if He let it play out - what if He wasn't sticking His oar in every five minutes? What if we really do have free will, for a start? Who wants to live in a universe where you (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, yes, you're right about that. Hearing about hate crimes just leaves me sooo frustrated - among other feelings. Julie (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Does God Exist? (was Re: Mercy? (was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer))
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(...) Oh dear. Let me start over. God is good, and there is no evil or sin in him. God created everything, so therefore everything reflects God's goodness in some way. People doing good things don't do it because of their innate goodness; they (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's childish. I could summarise your position as "lets kill lots of people somewhere far away - that'll make everything better", but that would be equally insulting. I certainly don't recommend the US try to march in everywhere to 'right (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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