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(...) I just read an interesting piece in The New Republic about the sanctions on Iraq: (URL) that the Iraqi govt. IS able to get food from other nations, but it exports it to pay for luxuries for the party elite. It supports the case that sanctions (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I burn fairly readily, but that's not what annoys me. What annoys me is that, after burning to Crayola red one day, the next day I'm back to killer-whale-belly-white, with no transition hue. Always been that way. Dave! (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<grinning and blushing at the same time> (...) Yeah, that's a tough one. ;-) (...) Hehe. It's Newton North High-School (NNHS), a public school. Your only problem would be the rent/house price in the town, probably. Sky-rocketing. Scary. -Shiri (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shiri Dori writes: <One of the best posts I've ever seen, especially in .debate...read it, seriously!> Shiri, 1) I want to give you a high-five, but can't figure out how to do it through the computer. 2) Give me the name (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here: (URL) C. (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not that the example doesn't suit me, it's just that it's incomplete. I gave an example similar to your scenario of pricing above the prevalent retail and asked if it was fair or not under your definition. I think you need to give another (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, what *did* you say about fascinating? -Shiri (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Whew! What a long post. I've been typing for almost an hour. So careful, great ramble ahead, and the footnotes are almost as long as the post itself. ;-) (...) Matt already found some stuff for you and all, I just wanted to say that I didn't really (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, should have said "announcing the laying off of tens of thousands of workers daily"...and I don't mean in total! Look at this from today's TechTV news: (URL) said it will take a $830 million restructuring charge, which is associated with (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Denial is a powerful thing. As I said, we agree on much more than we disagree, why focus on the points of disagreement. <snipped discussion on Toys R' Us> You asked for my opinion on fair pricing, I gave it. I'm satisfied with my opinion or (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you're numbers on layoffs are a bit off... 10s of thousands of workers daily is quite a few. In Libertopia, there would certainly be no regulation of schools. Of course schools would vary all over the map as to how good an education (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I can't do everything for you, but you might want to check out the book review that the cite points to: (URL) the book that review is about: "Market Education: The Unknown History", Coulson, Andrew J. (1999) ...and possibly the books (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Define Middle Class ;-) MC varies widely depending on the COL in your area. In the vast majority of the US, I'd be considered MC from my salary. Here in Sillycon Valley, I'm far from it - I couldn't even begin to afford a house in any way. (...) -- (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Limit that to Ukrainian. I can get a tan. Irish/German/Dutch. Of course, this is all relative, since my wife and son can sit out in the sun all day and never burn. Bruce (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ummmm? Not sure where to go here. Let's do this: (URL) can't copy the text out of the PDF file and put it here, so you'll have to go read it yourselves. Here's the gist: In 1813, Connecticut passed law to get businesses to educate their child (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) White as snow, despite my efforts to gain a tan (curse my Irish/German/ Ukrainian blood!) but I'm only barely middle class--could I still get in? Dave! (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, that's not a Lar (0) I don't think, as while there ARE Doubting Thomases (1) I don't know of any Retracting Daves (2). 0 - much less a ++Lar 1 - prominent Figures of Speech 2 - and the image there is one I'd just rather not get into, er, (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nice! Anyone can use Dave! in a sentence--the real art comes in making it appear that my ! naturally wound up at the end! (...) Well, in that case, you're a big silly doofus-head. See? I can be inflammatory, too! 8^) (I think I've over-stepped (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I am not a big fan of them either, but I was referring to the National Education Association, my apologies, I figured it would be clear from context... So don't burn the wrong wrongheaded group by mistake! (or is that miss-stake?) (...) (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I in no way, shape, or form was lumping you in with Scott. I would never do that to you, Scott is in a class all by himself. (...) Retract away, Dave! (see, I can pull a ++Lar too!) Scott seems to want to state that a predominantly white male (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't refute the King's cite, but I'd be interested to know precisely what "evidence shows that majority literacy was achieved under the largely market-based systems of the early 19th century," and what the "majority" represented. If it was (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Allow me to elucidate: the LP claims that it aims to help all society, yet the overwhelming majority of LP members are middle class white males. If, as has been asserted, the LP really is (or will be at some indeterminate future time) for the (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I pointed out the real difference between your two examples - you consistently refuse to address it. (...) The scenario in regards to Jim Crow is the state government gave you an excuse to allow the segregated busing you wanted (you not being (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unless it was a private school, no bet. <GD&R> ++Lar (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More important--I'd like to know where she had an excellent US History class. Not in the US, I'd wager. 8^( Dave! (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Matthew Gerber REGALLY PROCLAIMS: (...) YOU ARE the king of Cites. What a great cite. It seems to be saying that mandatory schooling didn't work. That seems to be somewhat anti-dogmatic (if you accept NEA dogma anyway). (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll let your own words and posts speak for themselves and let it go at that. I'm satisfied with my characterisation. (...) Suppose they didn't do that though? Take FAO for an example... they sell well above prevailing retail and don't price (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool, found it! It's good to be the king! From: (URL) England and America, the evidence shows that majority literacy was achieved under the largely market-based systems of the early 19th century, and that the spread of completely tax-funded (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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But companies would want well-educated employees no matter WHERE they came from, and would most likely contribute on both the local AND national level. For a simple, real world example, look at Silicon Valley as a whole - finding qualified (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's info for England: (URL) Education Act for England (one for Scotland followed soon after) established a national system of primary schools for children up to age 12; in 1880 attendance at primary school was made mandatory." I can't find (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True dat... but we are trying very hard to establish that not everyone currently unhappy with the U.S. government is necessarily libertarian and you ain't helping. :-) ++Lar (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, who would that be? We don't have any of *those* here, do we? :-) PS, I think you spelled absorption wrong. :-) ++Lar (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pardon me, but are you describing me or YOU here?! I think you're a bit confused, you just described several aspects of your on-line self in that paragraph. Get a grip on reality, my friend, and realize that you mostly stir up trouble here and (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, Some of your inferences are going beyond asinine. I'll stop there, because all I'll do is give you the satisfaction of getting a rise out of someone, which is all you seem to want to do here. If you have a middle name, you should change (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No problem. I wouldn't know myself, if I hadn't just ended a year with an excellent U.S History class. :-) My teachers, both this year and last, were really amazing and I doubt I will forget what I learned any time soon. (...) Hmmm. Very good (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This isn't a cite, but I'd heard the same thing and was reluctant to voice it, since I couldn't document it. And what did I say about fascinating?! Dave! (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what you are saying is that someone of one ethnicity can't think up ideas that benefit people outside of that ethnicity? Scott, THINK about what you type before you do so, this is making you look extremely stupid. (...) You haven't (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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And how does this in ANY way make the Libertarian Party like the LNSGP? Taking a splinter group (hell, I wouldn't even call this a splinter group of the LP) and making the assumption that the main party is like the splinter group is so colossally (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fascinating! Do you have a cite for that? Should be interesting reading. ++Lar (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not exactly true. It may not be mustering votes, but like I said, it doesn't have to win elections, per se. Peace and freedom ARE winning. So I can feel disenfranchised for my own reasons. (...) Preventing racism and requiring it are (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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