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Re: Libertarian SPAM (Propaganda)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:22:35 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Matthew Gerber writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shiri Dori writes:
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> > > > > Heck, ultimately these reasons are probably the
> > > > > ONLY reasons we have the public school system we have now.
> > > >
> > > > Nitpicking here - that's not true. The public school system and the
> > > > requirement to attend it were formed in the late 19th century. The general
> > > > public wanted kids out of the cheap working force, because they were
> > > > depressing wages for everyone.
> > >
> > > Fascinating! Do you have a cite for that? Should be interesting reading.
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> Here's info for England: http://twist.lib.uiowa.edu/wompoet/resources.html
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> "1870 Education Act for England (one for Scotland followed soon after)
> established a national system of primary schools for children up to age 12;
> in 1880 attendance at primary school was made mandatory."
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> I can't find anything on America...maybe we never really had to go at all in
> the first place! I may have to give up my title.
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> Matt (Possibly the Former Self-Proclaimed LUGNET King of Citing Stuff ©)
Cool, found it! It's good to be the king!
From: http://coe.asu.edu/edrev/reviews/rev70c.htm
"In England and America, the evidence shows that majority literacy was
achieved under the largely market-based systems of the early 19th century,
and that the spread of completely tax-funded state-run schools did not
accelerate that pre-existing growth in literacy. Furthermore, the U.S.
Census Bureau's own figures show that the enrollment level of white children
actually went down between 1850 and 1900 (p. 84), despite the fact that this
was the period in which state-run schooling expanded across the country and
the majority of states introduced mandatory attendance laws. Though African
American enrollment rose substantially after the Civil War, this was
principally due to the abolition of laws forbidding them from receiving an
education. The bulk of the schools serving newly emancipated black children
appear to have been private ventures."
Matt (Still the Self-Proclaimed LUGNET King of Citing Stuff ©)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Matthew Gerber REGALLY PROCLAIMS: (...) YOU ARE the king of Cites. What a great cite. It seems to be saying that mandatory schooling didn't work. That seems to be somewhat anti-dogmatic (if you accept NEA dogma anyway). (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Here's info for England: (URL) Education Act for England (one for Scotland followed soon after) established a national system of primary schools for children up to age 12; in 1880 attendance at primary school was made mandatory." I can't find (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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